Harvard Rated Asian-American Applicants Lower on Personality Traits: Lawsuit

Post by throwaway37585 » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 5:18 PM UTC

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Of course they do. Consider this research: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/04/09/new-research-... Among elite Universities that initially do a holistic review of applicants to narrow down the applicant pool, URM status is viewed as the most important factor for an applicant by 42% of the universities, equal to the number of schools that view "exceptional talent" as the most important factor. Being a URM is b…

> Look up average SAT scores of different ethnic groups admitted to elite colleges as well. The disparity is glaring. Yes, everybody appeals to SAT scores. SAT scores are easily gamed. That's why more and more colleges are deprioritizing or abandoning them completely. What American colleges are increasingly uninterested in are excellent test-takers. Nobody is persuaded that students who are able to grind out excellen…

Post by evanlivingston » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 5:22 PM UTC

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There may be racial differences in personality, but it is implausible that as the proportion of Asians in the high-achieving student population rises, their personalities get just worse enough that the fraction of Asian students at Harvard stays about the same. Harvard admits this when it says that what brings the Asian fraction down to 18% is "demographic". Elite universities are often accusing the broader society o…

Look no further than this video. Hispanic and Black populations in USA are consistently painting themselves as victims. As a result there are many Hispanic and Black organisations focused activism and their membership counts as "personality development" at Harvard. Asian students on other hand are busy getting successful instead of painting themselves as victims. How an Indian student faked to be African American and…

Post by Alex3917 » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 5:27 PM UTC

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> Studies have shown grades and test scores are predictive of college graduation rates and grades. College grades and graduation rates don't matter either though. Given that society has limited resources, we should be trying to give the best educations to those most likely to do stuff that contributes positively to society, not those who are most likely to spend their four years maximizing their GPA and those most li…

How do you identify individuals who are "most likely to do stuff that contributes positively to society"? How do you define "positively to society"?

Post by Alex3917 » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 5:31 PM UTC

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What always gets lost in this debate though is the fact that grades and SAT scores aren't especially meaningful or important. Given that we've had Asians and Jews freaking out all week and making dogwhistle attacks against blacks/hispanics because of the Stuy admissions issue, the fact that these so-called metrics aren't inherently any better or more fair than a personality test or whatever somehow always gets lost i…

“Research suggests that the SAT, widely used in college admissions, is primarily a measure of g. A correlation of .82 has been found between g scores computed from an IQ test battery and SAT scores. In a study of 165,000 students at 41 U.S. colleges, SAT scores were found to be correlated at .47 with first-year college grade-point average after correcting for range restriction in SAT scores (the correlation rises to…

Post by ksk » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 5:46 PM UTC

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Why do you assume that Asians are only good at posting test scores and grades? Those scores are being talked about because of all the criteria they are the measurable ones, so you can use them as a baseline. Asian Americans do extracurricular activities just like everyone else does.

> Why do you assume that Asians are only good at posting test scores and grades? Not something I said or implied. I was purely talking about the responses to the NYC admissions thing on Facebook, the NYC subreddit, etc. > Those scores are being talked about because of all the criteria they are the measurable ones They're not measurable, they just have numbers attached to them. You can attach numbers to a personality…