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Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless engineer?

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People aren't being very fair to you here and I'm flat out embarrassed by HN. The most relevant thing is that you're going through something terrible. If I had anything, I'd give it to you, but I've had a very tough year. The best I can offer is that I'm genuinely sorry. Not only for the way you've been treated here, but for everything that has happened. I've had some good friends go down the homelessness path and th…

What about a PO box? Would that work?

I have never been homeless, so my experience and perspective are severely limited here.

A PO box would work in a pinch, but I can see a couple of issues.

The first one is that PO boxes can be expensive and temporary homelessness is already very expensive. Realistically, to stay in a state of temporary homelessness, you need to be in a situation where you can apply for jobs, go to interviews and hop online or on the phone for quick calls. That requires things like a gym membership (for a shower), car parking/maintenance/gas, food and other basics. The example I always like to give is to ask a question. How confident would you feel going into a job interview looking like you slept in your clothes because you did?

Temporary homelessness is also very time consuming. Simply finding a place to hang out is almost a full-time job. With a PO box, you've got to keep paying the rent and find time to go to your box, pay rent, etc.

The second one is one of human contact and love. I've never been homeless but I have some good friends who have been. The lack of pride is already immense. But, apparently, it can also be incredibly lonely, particularly if you're mentally healthier than the mean. Having someone from your past who meets up with you once a week and gives you your mail is a powerful bit of human contact.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless engineer?

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Apparently my post has been flagged for some reason. I attempted to post the following last night but kept getting a message that I was posting too fast: Questions / answers thus far: there's been a lot of good advice in this thread thus far and a few understandable questions. I'm going to answer them all here as I can no longer edit the main thread. first off, great suggestions - some of these were already on my min…

Any chance you could move out of the state? If you have 15 years experience then the valley or Texas would be a better way. Granted 400 usd doesn't net you a shoebox, but if nothing else sleeping in a car in California is a lot nicer than in colorado and it should put you closer to the jobs.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless engineer?

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- Public libraries can help with the job search if they offer free internet access - If you don't mind camping, its an extremely cheap way to live, and a gym / YMCA will help before interviews. - If you have any friends / family, ask them if you can crash. Have a friend who lived this way for ages. - If it comes to it, there are often abandoned structures that are reasonable for keeping rain off. Lived in an abandone…

Sidenote: how does a place like AL have so much government money poored into it?

I can't really speak for the rest of the state but, in the late 50's / early 60's, Huntsville's Redstone Arsenal army base ended up as the home of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, as well as many of the post WW2 German rocket scientists. I think that over the decades, the focus on aerospace & defense has simply snowballed as more employers and workers are attracted to the area.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless engineer?

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Thank you for letting OP know about the opportunity. I do hope your interview process is more streamlined than some of the horror stories we hear about on HN. OP is probably not going to be benefited by having to jump through many hoops.

> jump through many hoops this right here is why i don't have a job yet -- suddenly being a good programmer isn't enough, you have to be a good algorithmic competitive programmer. Code challenges with intensely difficult algorithms (i'm talking 3 to 8 per interview) are making all of you employers pass over good devs, and making me homeless. This is the new brainteaser and 5 years from now people will look back and r…

I want you to know you're not alone. I've been programming for 30 years and I cannot find work. I have hundreds of hours of video showing what I can do and it doesn't matter. Because I don't approach toy problems on the whiteboard like companies expect, I'm a loser.

This is something the HN community should really start paying attention to. You may be employed now and it may be great but something rotten is happening in the industry and it's only getting worse.

I have a MacBook Pro from circa 2013 I can donate to you if you need it. I'll make sure my email is in my profile. Otherwise, if you'd just like to speak with someone who understands (some) of what you're going through, let me know.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless engineer?

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You should both make a list of everyone you know or have worked for, and anyone you don't, from soup kitchens through to bluechip HR, who for any reason at all you think might be able to help you with, in order of importance; food, advice/conversation, phone/net, accommodation, logistics/travel, workspace/equipment, paid work, and finally if and only if everything else fails, lend you money.

Split this list into people you can be honest with and people who you should be guarded with in order to retain a professional front.

Start calling the honest list, starting with the most social, explain your situation and ask them if they can help, that you are happy to trade skill for this, and if they can't help, do they know anyone who can? Use this last question to expand the list.

Also start calling the guarded list, with a strategy for each. These are basically people who you are trying to setup new work with, people you owe money to and therefore need to carefully manage their expectations, and prospective landlords.

One thing that is really important, do not agree to a start date for work until you have organised where it will be done, where you will be sleeping and where you get food from. You are better bartering skill for basic resources from the honest group first, then trying for some well paid work when you have a platform to ensure that you don't fuck it up. Is basically Mazlow's Hierarchy of Needs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

Also, until you are stable, you will need to be constantly creating backup plans for your backup plans. Three deep or more is ideal, in spare time try to generate more, and make this a habit.

Always know where you are going to sleep, if where you were going to go to sleep, when where you were going to sleep fucked up, fucks up.

To get back into stable rent may take being a house guest/garage dweller while starting a new job, which is not always stable and you may not be able/want to be completely honest about at a new job, so keep all bases covered.

Is also worth looking at completely gonzo solutions, such as immediately registering a company, as this may make it easier to acquire property to live in and high paid contracts/investment money. Don't do that at the expense of time spent sorting basic needs, but it is really worth spending time on the high gamble, even if it seems utterly ridiculous from your current position, both for the chance it might pay off, and more importantly, for your day to day morale and self-identity otherwise the new conditions can eat away at your mental horizon. Fight the thought of "This is my life now" otherwise it could be.

And if it really comes to it, get some locks and quietly borrow derelict buildings, very very carefully, and do not advertise their existence otherwise you will generate yourself a crew of the crazy and dispossessed extremely rapidly. Tell them about it when you leave, if you want to be nice.

Hope some of this may have helped. Keep your confidence up and go hustle like you have never done before. Good luck to the both of you from someone who has been there. With the right attitude, bits of it can even be 'fun', in the same sort of way that hiking across remote glaciers can be 'fun'.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless engineer?

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Apparently my post has been flagged for some reason. I attempted to post the following last night but kept getting a message that I was posting too fast: Questions / answers thus far: there's been a lot of good advice in this thread thus far and a few understandable questions. I'm going to answer them all here as I can no longer edit the main thread. first off, great suggestions - some of these were already on my min…

I feel very bad for you about the bi-polar diagnosis. You can get disability for this though. It's truly debilitating.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless engineer?

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I've been in the kind of spot you're in. I survived it. There's nothing so special about me. You can do it, too. Every day make a careful, accurate inventory of the things that are under your control and the things that are not. Don't worry about the things that are not under your control; they're none of your business. They're like the weather: they come and go as they will. Focus on the things that are under your c…

so... stoicism, basically.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless engineer?

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Can you relocate for six months to a year to Ireland? The market there is absolutely nuts. I've been hired (a couple of years ago) as a Python contractor for 450 euros a day (~300 after taxes), after expressly telling them I don't know Python. ("Are you willing to learn?" "Sure." "Great, you have plenty of experience, you'll figure it out in no time. Sign here.") Sure, for someone from the US that's low, but I'm from…

I just came from a year in the Benelux, that's how I managed to save a bit, but now that I have a buffer I'd rather stay put for a while. Still, even your €450/h is less than csomar's $100/h, which they are apparently earning in a third-world country.

Yeah, that's beyond my capabilities at the moment. Besides Upwork, I have also used Toptal - when I find contracts (not very often) it pays quite well, and remote beats relocation (especially since I have children in school).

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless engineer?

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I also agree this story doesn't make sense or it is missing some stuff. Otherwise I'll be harsh: What the hell happened during 15 years? I'm based in a third-world and have been working for 7 years only and have approximately a lifetime of savings. Despite traveling to a dozen countries and buying lots of gadgets. Something doesn't add up. Or, you have a bigger problem than finding a job (gambling addiction? an expen…

It's called a 3 day or quit. After you tell the judge you can't pay, they allow the landlord to file for eviction and then you get 25 days or so until you are evicted. Maybe you can ask the judge to consider your security deposit as an agreement to let you stay longer. The OP might also find a church or some local community org to help with the rent for a month. Sometimes the state/county will help to prevent eviction in the short term.
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