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Study: Today’s dads are engaging more with their kids

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Re: Study: Today’s dads are engaging more with their kids

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Post by CalRobert »

GuiA wrote: post #14
monocasa wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additionally, equal paternity leave is a great thing for women's rights too. When employers will see the same leave for their employees when they have a child regardless of gender, then there's less of a rational reason to discriminate against women in the hiring process.

This is very important. I once worked for the CEO of a startup who told me that he was hesitant to hire women because if they got pregnant “it’d totally screw us over”.

This CEO should suffer legal consequences.

Re: Study: Today’s dads are engaging more with their kids

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Post by koliber »

sjg007 wrote: post #39
aikinai wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has a cool system where everyone with a new child gets (very long and equal) parental leave. If you physically give birth, you get extra time for preparation and recovery (e.g. men and women adopting, etc. don’t get it). I think this is a good way to recognize the extra burden of parents who give birth while being fair on the parenting front.

Seems weird to discriminate against adoptive parents... I understand the reasoning but seems weird. It would probably be better to have a medical policy applicable to everyone.

I think you are framing it incorrectly as discrimination.

If one stretches such an analogy, one could reason that paid sick leave is discriminating against healthy people. Not many people would agree with that one.

As you've stated, a sensible medical policy for everyone would be good. I would imagine that Google has a one.

Re: Study: Today’s dads are engaging more with their kids

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Post by amelius »

Hypothesis: Today's dads behave more like kids, compared to previous generations.

I mean, 40 year olds dress like teenagers (sneakers, t-shirt, jeans, sometimes a cap), they often have the same hobbies as teenagers (e.g. video gaming), and responsibility is low because there is a high level of social security.

Re: Study: Today’s dads are engaging more with their kids

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Post by Angostura »

ponderatul wrote: post #64

I don't want to take away from the results from the study. But it would be a great area to study the relationship between men and interaction with women, especially those displaying toxic femininity, in the context of fatherhood. Don't know if anyone coined the term toxic femininity, but it should obviously be a field of study, just as toxic masculinity is.

What would 'toxic femininity' look like?

Re: Study: Today’s dads are engaging more with their kids

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Post by Angostura »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #15
delbel wrote: post #6

I was trying to understand andrewclunn now dead comment below. Basically he was saying there was no need for the author of the article (not the study) to write "toxic masculinity" narrative. When I clicked on the PDF, to scan for the word "toxic" I was unable to open the PDF. Did the author of the article Jon McBride artificially put this narrative spin on the study? If so, I don't understand why somebody would do th…

Probably something to do with this: >The study also showed a correlation between fathers who exhibit negative aspects of traditional masculinity and fathers who are less involved with their children. >“It’s important to understand what masculinity is and is not,” Shafer said. “In some circles, when people hear terms like hegemonic or toxic masculinity, they think those are attacking all men. Not so. There are some ve…

> Being able to seriously turn down your emotions or at least not show them is a really useful skill in situations where emotions run high.

And that kind of behaviour is neither toxic, nor particularly masculine.

It's the inability to show emotions even when appropriate or helpful that is the toxic bit.

Re: Study: Today’s dads are engaging more with their kids

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Post by Angostura »

TangoTrotFox wrote: post #57

Something I find bemusing are the never ending slew of studies that aim to evangelize 'new ideas' in parenting and child rearing contrasted against the negative changes in outcomes of children and young adults in the US today. Children and young adults in the US today are, compared to decades past, suffering sharp spikes in mental illness, obesity, as well as performing relatively worse academically and even exhibiti…

" suffering sharp spikes in mental illness, obesity, as well as performing relatively worse academically and even exhibiting lower average IQ"

There's been really quite a lot of research into these kinds of thing. There is no doubt that in many respects the environment that kids are being bought up in today is more stressful, distracting, uncertain, unstable etc.

I don't think you have to look at changes in parenting style to account or them.

Re: Study: Today’s dads are engaging more with their kids

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Post by dreamache »

I run my own internet based business teaching full stack dev out of a bedroom converted to an office. My 2 daughters (5 & 8) are homeschooled.

It can be extremely challenging at times trying to work, but I am able to be in their life a lot more than your average dad.

I flew out to Cali to record a course last year and it was my first time away from my family for a few days. Before leaving, I thought it was going to be awesome to take a break from them. I realized just how damn attached I was to them during that time. I never experienced home sickness like that before. I was like a little baby.

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Post by ravenstine »

evilantnie wrote: post #10
delbel wrote: post #6

I was trying to understand andrewclunn now dead comment below. Basically he was saying there was no need for the author of the article (not the study) to write "toxic masculinity" narrative. When I clicked on the PDF, to scan for the word "toxic" I was unable to open the PDF. Did the author of the article Jon McBride artificially put this narrative spin on the study? If so, I don't understand why somebody would do th…

I don't see the comment you're referring to, but McBride was quoting one of the authors of the study. Technically this isn't "spin", Toxic Masculinity and Hegemonic Masculinity are both fields of study in psychology having to do with promotion of dominance and violence. I think both fields influenced this study. It looks like they developed a Parent-Child-Conflict scale that included spanking, hitting, or threatening…

> Toxic Masculinity and Hegemonic Masculinity are both fields of study in psychology

Can you cite that? If that's how today's psychology is defining things, then that's a sign that field is totally screwed.

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