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Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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Anecdotal data is not a good source of medical advice.

It think their entire study is based on the collection of such 'anecdotes'.

With some good statistics you can make fairly certain assumptions that the anecdotal data you collect is a good sample of the broader population.

A single data point as presented by OP is less valuable than that of a study, which contains multiple data points.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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Like everything in life and medicine, it is all risk-benefit analysis. I'm underwhelmed by the absolute risk reduction for most of these findings. Most people get some sort of upper respiratory infection, is increasing URIs rate from say 65% to 70% clinically meaningful? Sure its statistically significant here given the large sample size, but I'm not sure it helps us know what will happen.

But if a child is suffering now, and we have the chance to help, what should we do with this data? I'm definitely against unnecessary surgery, especially in children. I just don't think this pushes my definition of necessary very much.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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Anecdotal data is not a good source of medical advice.

When treating a patient, using the results of a study is a good starting point, but it may really have nothing to do with treating the specific patient. The patient may fall outside of the distribution of normal occurrences, as indicated by the study. They may be an outlier. This is one reason why medicine is challenging - you're not treating a population, you're treating a patient. If you are the patient, you want t…

While I generally agree, treating a patient is also not as simple. For example, I never had my tonsils removed and in the past 5 years I have not been sick a single time. Plus, this doesn't invalidate the study itself, as the results merely lay out a chance, the probability that you will suffer long term effects.

People can smoke cigarettes their entire life and never get lung cancer or they smoke once and get a diagnosis for lung cancer next year.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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Only barely related but I have a personal story about this! I had my tonsils removed at eleven years old. I didn't know why then, and I still don't now. I suffer quite a bit now from allergies (I'm not sure how related to this it is, and I guess I've no way of knowing really). I remember being really scared, and the surgeon playfully telling me that I'd be fine, I'd be asleep through the whole thing and would wake up…

Had general anesthesia as a kid/pre-teen. Broke my nose, went to the hospital, doctor didn't want me to be awake when fixing it.

Felt very sick and disorientated afterwards. Had swallowed what I at the time perceived to be a lot of blood, which I vomited for one or two days. Couldn't eat, tasted the ice cream twice.

Pretty sure my nose could've been pulled into place without general anesthesia, but maybe that would've been scary too.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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That is beyond retarded...and a school is supposed to instruct kids in the truthful ways of life? Spraying oil does NOT eliminate aromatic odor molecules. All it does is dilute their presence. In addition, all of these essential oils are from plants, which many people are randomly allergic or inflamed by. Essential oils are for a home. Spraying essential oils into public airspace is such a dick move. Sorry about your…

The school is looking forward to your job application to be a preschool teacher. You'll have the following benefits: * $32k annual salary You'll have the responsibility to take care of the most precious little things that have every walked the earth. Your management are the parents, or as they like to call themselves "the people who pay your salary". These management want you to know they would do nearly everything y…

What does any of this have to do with forcing an oil vaporizer on everyone? Are you arguing that teachers need essential oils in the air to get through the day; or is this just about the fact, that parents always have different ideas? In that case you should still err on the side of not putting random substances in the air everyone at the school has to breathe.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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Thank you so much for posting this. Really, THANK YOU, kind stranger. Here in the Czech Republic we're always forced by doctors to do AE/TE to our son despite being mildly affected by strep as we are fighting PANDAS. The latest research converges on that AE/TE is not effective, and that we're doing the right thing by not doing the operation. It looks like doctors even in the most advanced medical institutions are bli…

We went to a really good Ear nose throat doctor in San Diego hospital because our son had a long lasting runny nose, and they also told us to remove his tonsils and adenoids. I did not want to have them removed because of the involvement of sleep drugs necessary for operation, so we tried multiple ways to find the issue of the running nose, turned out it was something to do with the oil vaporizer they used in his pre…

Cut carb intake right down and the levels of catarrh drop right off. Observational study in the 40's or 50's by a chap called Paton.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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Thank you so much for posting this. Really, THANK YOU, kind stranger. Here in the Czech Republic we're always forced by doctors to do AE/TE to our son despite being mildly affected by strep as we are fighting PANDAS. The latest research converges on that AE/TE is not effective, and that we're doing the right thing by not doing the operation. It looks like doctors even in the most advanced medical institutions are bli…

Not knowing what PANDAS is made for an interesting first read.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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We went to a really good Ear nose throat doctor in San Diego hospital because our son had a long lasting runny nose, and they also told us to remove his tonsils and adenoids. I did not want to have them removed because of the involvement of sleep drugs necessary for operation, so we tried multiple ways to find the issue of the running nose, turned out it was something to do with the oil vaporizer they used in his pre…

Heh, you can do it the Russian way and yank them out while you are awake with just a topical, until your kid passes out from the pain :). That’s how my adenoids came out. Do not recommend.

There's a scene in Roald Dahl's autobiography part one, Boy, that describes the process of getting his adenoids removed without anaesthesia. Sounded terrifying enough that I'm glad we knock people out for that sort of surgery.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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> What do you base your judgment on? The experience of various family members at different stage of their life (we had to deal with childbirth, cancers, complex surgeries, broken bones, and simply old age, etc) and my experience in living in different countries. I am happy of my city hospital.

> childbirth, cancers, complex surgeries, broken bones That's all pretty standard, all of those I'd trust most modern hospitals with. Yes there can be big differences, but at least all of those are part of the standard things modern medicine excels at. Anything ER, surgery, child birth. Cancer treatment is more variable but there's standards, they know what the problem is, they know what to do for diagnosis, and trea…

What was the issue in the end? And how did you solve it?

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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Only barely related but I have a personal story about this! I had my tonsils removed at eleven years old. I didn't know why then, and I still don't now. I suffer quite a bit now from allergies (I'm not sure how related to this it is, and I guess I've no way of knowing really). I remember being really scared, and the surgeon playfully telling me that I'd be fine, I'd be asleep through the whole thing and would wake up…

I feel sorry for your experiences.

I had my adenoids removed, twice actually, but my first surgery was quite memorable.

Post-soviet Estonia, 90's. I was nine, my nose was pretty much constantly blocked or snotty. The Doc said I had my adenoids enlarged, and advised my mom to agree to an operation. And so, couple months later, I remember sitting in the Doc's reception room, while nurse was slowly screwing long (half the size of knitting) needles with local anesthesia really deep into both of my nostrils. I had no clue about lobotomy back then, he-he, however this part alone was enough to injure my childhood psyche. And I didn't yet image what kind of fun will come next.

Two hours later they came for me. I was taken to the operating room, in the middle of which stood a red faux-leather (torture) chair. My hands were strapped to the armrests. I was kindly told to sit still and open my mouth. Long story short, I was operated with huge weird scissors inserted deep into my throat, cutting off pieces of my flesh, while I was in full consciousness that whole time.

Couple years later, I was repeated this operation in a regional hospital of Kyiv, this time under general anesthesia (I echo OP's counting up to 7 max). The chief surgeon said that my first operation was an act of inhumanity.

Twenty years later, I don't blame anyone. Nowadays we have much better NHS (better than in Ukraine so far). I understand that this was a confluence of unfortunate circumstances—it happens and it could be much worse. Today, thanks to science, I know this episode a) should have never happened, and b) will affect my future life. I was already wondering why I got allergic symptoms several years ago. Let's hope that scientific and technology progress will catch up and fix all the mistakes that we had to go through :-).

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