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Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast

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Re: Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast

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Doesn't this very story with handicapped anti-trust that let AT&T run amok teach us, that conflating ISP with media / video distribution is hurting the end user?

So no, they should not become ISPs, but they can help independent ISPs break current sick oligopolies.

Working anti-trust would simply forbid ISPs from owning media businesses.

Re: Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast

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Lobbying the government to restore net neutrality is far cheaper than building out an ISP. Also, 5G is coming by the end of this year with at least two providers (Verizon and T-Mobile) and once that happens, ATT and Comcast won't have as much stranglehold on the ISP market, so NN may not matter anymore.

I don't see how 5G changes anything. Wireless providers were exempt from net neutrality even when it was in force and have a long history of tiered usage and throttling.

Re: Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast

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This the end of innovation in online videos: "When companies like Netflix, which today closed with a market cap of almost $158 billion, can’t necessarily get enough negotiating power to ensure that consumers have direct access to them, no startup can ever hope to compete. America may believe in its entrepreneurs, but its competition laws have done nothing to keep the terrain open for them. Those implications are just…

yeah. yet, the consumer side demand for such content is well established now.

i can't help but wonder what kinds of workarounds consumers will invent (against all regulations and attempts to defeat them) to pass that content around.

consumers might embrace Netflix's old-school disk-mailing tactics. or maybe Netflix will re-embrace that.

or some sort of illegal low power local extended WiFi networks?

dunno.

Re: Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast

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People have made endless points about how ISPs and last-mile providers will hurt the consumer and the small video startup. I don't dispute those. But, IMHO, independent of that, the behavior of Alphabet has been less and less charitable to the little guy over the last few years too, especially in the area of android app development. (e.g. they recently eliminated their "free-forever" policy on the use of android map/…

There's an incredibly ironic undertone to an article suggesting two of the world's largest global monopolies should expand their reach to better be able to beat other, smaller regional corporations.

Re: Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast

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post #3

Sounds like healthy competition?

it's healthy in the sense that the giants are pitted against each other.

it's unhealthy in the sense that the little player is basically locked out.

it's also unhealthy in the sense that the big players will be incentivized to unite in an unholy alliance against the masses for the sake of increased profitability.

Re: Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast

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post #12
post #8

Lobbying the government to restore net neutrality is far cheaper than building out an ISP. Also, 5G is coming by the end of this year with at least two providers (Verizon and T-Mobile) and once that happens, ATT and Comcast won't have as much stranglehold on the ISP market, so NN may not matter anymore.

I don't see how 5G changes anything. Wireless providers were exempt from net neutrality even when it was in force and have a long history of tiered usage and throttling.

I think the idea is better fixed WISP options which could potentially replace cable internet. If Verizon/T-Mobile suddenly have a home internet option based on 5G, then Comcast gets competition.

Re: Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast

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post #8

Lobbying the government to restore net neutrality is far cheaper than building out an ISP. Also, 5G is coming by the end of this year with at least two providers (Verizon and T-Mobile) and once that happens, ATT and Comcast won't have as much stranglehold on the ISP market, so NN may not matter anymore.

> Lobbying the government to restore net neutrality is far cheaper than building out an ISP.

Also, I suspect that state-level legislative initiatives are going to be much easier to win than trying to sue executive agencies.

Re: Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast

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Or better yet, we can work toward a future (no later than 2021, I hope) when net neutrality can be brought back into force just as it was from 2015-2017 by FCC action or perhaps with more staying power via legislative action. Ground taken once can be taken twice. If we resign ourselves to the current legal landscape we hand a victory to these corrupt players. That said I'm sure the tech giants will want to hedge thei…

A net neutrality bill already passed the senate. With a new house (and speaker) it could potentially go through.

Re: Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast

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post #12
post #8

Lobbying the government to restore net neutrality is far cheaper than building out an ISP. Also, 5G is coming by the end of this year with at least two providers (Verizon and T-Mobile) and once that happens, ATT and Comcast won't have as much stranglehold on the ISP market, so NN may not matter anymore.

I don't see how 5G changes anything. Wireless providers were exempt from net neutrality even when it was in force and have a long history of tiered usage and throttling.

Having wireless providers who are able to provide landline-level speeds means that many markets will go from having one or maybe two real ISP options to having three or four. Competition means that if the benefits of net neutrality are desirable, customers will prefer an ISP (wireless or otherwise) that provides those benefits.

Of course, most actual counterexamples to net neutrality are seen as positives (free Netflix or Hulu with usage not counted towards a data cap) rather than negatives, so it might not work out.

Re: Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast

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This the end of innovation in online videos: "When companies like Netflix, which today closed with a market cap of almost $158 billion, can’t necessarily get enough negotiating power to ensure that consumers have direct access to them, no startup can ever hope to compete. America may believe in its entrepreneurs, but its competition laws have done nothing to keep the terrain open for them. Those implications are just…

This type of comment implies you think the world is static. I'm not saying that this good, but what makes you so sure market and social forces won't produce a better model?

To me this is just a temporary setback, and a reminder why we need to focus on developing new technologies, like a "truly decentralized internet", blockchain, cryptography, and more.

It almost feels like a the death throws of a monster that will do a lot of damage is it goes down, but will ultimately be overthrown by the better forces in the world.

Edit:

"Truly decentralized internet" is a loaded phrase, so I'll expand a bit. The fact that we see small companies and municipalities beginning to develop their own ISPs is a positive trend in the right direction.

Mesh networking has the potential to happen. Most WiFi chipsets in theory support short range mesh, and the gear from Ubiquity and others, not to mention SDR also have this potential. In fact, I'd hypothesis that the basebands in most cell phones have the hardware capability to participate in mesh typologies. The right software could enable some very interesting things. I could be totally wrong here about the HW capabilities. Anyone care to chime in?

Layer proper digital identities, and something like TOR as a first class citizen, and you start to get a pretty nice picture.

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