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Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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Post by rohit2412 »

notabee wrote: post #247
dalbasal wrote: post #135

Just reading the first few comments.... I really don't get the Tesla hate. Is it hacker-ish contrarianism? Have they done something? What's the deal HN, why are we cheering against the home team? Overall Musk has been pretty straightforward and explicit with what he's doing. Tesla (and spacex) set extremely ambitious goals, like none of their competitors do. They take big risks. They're not interested in reducing ris…

I want you to run with this thought wherever it takes you: 1. Tesla is heavily shorted. 2. Tesla and SpaceX are disrupting heavily entrenched industries (and we could argue a lot about how much or how effectively, but let's not). 3. It's become apparently easy to mobilize armies of artificial opinion on the internet, who in turn mobilize real people due to groupthink and the human love for picking sides and shouting…

Trust me, I was never stayed by groupthink. Infact the groupthink has almost always been Tesla fanboyism.

I personally was set off by Elon musk's claims about autonomy, every since he started claiming them in 2015. I still don't think a line following robot should be allowed control of a car, and good forbid not have a human driver behind it.

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Post by gamblor956 »

fmihaila wrote: post #220
rayiner wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what matters is the wishful thinking, not the pioneering work SpaceX’s competitors actually accomplished? What matters is that Tesla plans to bring EVs to every household in the future, not that it’s shipped about the same number of EVs as Nissan to date? Look at your own post for why Tesla/SpaceX engender negativity. GM revolutionized the landscape of America. Douglas Aerospace helped design the most powerful roc…

> So what matters is the wishful thinking, not the pioneering work SpaceX’s competitors actually accomplished? Another way to look at it is that what matters is the pioneering work that SpaceX has actually accomplished (and stands to accomplish) that none of their competitors has (primarily, drastically lowering the cost of reaching space while achieving high and increasing launch rates). > What matters is that Tesla…

So...you're comparing reducing the costs of getting into space with the achievement of developing the technology that actually made it possible to get into space?

The latter is a revolution. The former is just an incremental evolution. Laudable, but nowhere close to the same level of accomplishment.

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Post by greglindahl »

danso wrote: post #129

That Home Depot/Powerwall partnership was just announced in February 2018: https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/2/16964154/tesla-home-depot-... Were home installations ever projected to be a growable part of the company?

At the start, industrial installations of Power Pack were expected to be 80% of the battery business, but an alarming number of people outside of Tesla appeared convinced that retail Power Wall would be the thing. Guess what?

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Post by fmihaila »

gamblor956 wrote: post #332
fmihaila wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So what matters is the wishful thinking, not the pioneering work SpaceX’s competitors actually accomplished? Another way to look at it is that what matters is the pioneering work that SpaceX has actually accomplished (and stands to accomplish) that none of their competitors has (primarily, drastically lowering the cost of reaching space while achieving high and increasing launch rates). > What matters is that Tesla…

So...you're comparing reducing the costs of getting into space with the achievement of developing the technology that actually made it possible to get into space? The latter is a revolution. The former is just an incremental evolution. Laudable, but nowhere close to the same level of accomplishment.

> So...you're comparing reducing the costs of getting into space with the achievement of developing the technology that actually made it possible to get into space?

Not at all. I am just pointing out that the popularity of SpaceX stems from much more than just ‘wishful thinking’. In a short time and against all odds, they’ve established themselves as the leading space launch provider, and they have a realistic chance to vastly increase that lead in the years to come. Speaking of pioneering technology, they are the first and so far only entity to launch, land, and reuse production orbital rockets on a regular basis. This may well prove to be a revolution, especially considering how many experts said it was impossible.

Handwaving their accomplishments away because too many people cheer them too loudly strikes me as unfair and disingenuous.

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Post by riantogo »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #166
jdross wrote: post #133

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Have you considered moving to Europe?

This. Even if you don't cross an ocean you can still vote with your feet. You get the benefit of living somewhere with agreeable politics and the group you left gets the benefit of being "rid" of you. Everyone is happier that way. Of course people just need to have their cake and eat it too which causes problems. Sure, moving is a pain in the butt for a laundry list of reason but you have to ask yourself is it less o…

Right. But I'm thinking if there is a way to solve this systemically (including US).

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Post by RivieraKid »

gowld wrote: post #95
IBM wrote: post #19

This is definitely the move of a company in the process of scaling up production of their mass market vehicle that their valuation hinges on. Definitely not about managing cash flow.

There's no need for sarcasm. Have confidence in yourself that you can speak plainly and the import of your comment will be undesrtand.

I appreciate the sarcasm, adds spice to the discussion. Nothing to do with confidence, that's just your attempt at putting the guy down.

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Post by hndamien »

Latteland wrote: post #255
rayiner wrote: post #181

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Interestingly, I see this from the exact opposite view. I'm surprised it's taken this long for the rubber to meet the road. Tesla sells the most electric vehicles, but it's hardly the sort of delta you describe ("extremely ambitious goals, like none of their competitors do"). Nissan and Tesla both hit the 300,000 car mark in January/February of 2018. And let's not forget the recent NTSB report, which revealed that "A…

I think you've got a lot of things wrong about Tesla. The legacy multi billion dollar use companies in the ULA have been using many russian rocket engines and have not really innovated much, other than having a good success rate. Tesla has been lucky to survive, there are many failed new car companies, and only because they have such an awesome product have they been able to attack the entire industry, sales, product…

I don't understand it, but it is enjoyable to watch.

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Post by riantogo »

ManFromUranus wrote: post #150
riantogo wrote: post #117

Somewhere along the way I have come to appreciate that as a society we need to optimize better for psychological, financial and physical wellbeing of people prioritized by proximity: employees, community, humanity. It will definitely slow down innovation. We might go to Mars 20yrs late, no self driving cars for 10 more yrs, walk around the city some more before electric scooter land etc. Of course it is in conflict w…

>It will definitely slow down innovation It will definitely slow down innovation. Some projects / aspirations will come off the table completely. Mars? Forget about it. All your mars money will be treating AIDS/Malaria/Cancer/Whatever. All NASA and space exploration money will go to feeding poor people and refugees and all manner of charitable causes, these causes will only ever multiply ad infinitum. I think there i…

Is there a way to have both? Innovation (that matters) plus localized wellbeing? Regulation could force the second to certain extent but I would prefer a market solution.

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Post by rootusrootus »

craig1f wrote: post #323
rootusrootus wrote: post #283

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They have also been handling the response to the autopilot glitches pretty terribly. Someone should just tell Musk to shut up when someone dies in one of his cars and not immediately rush in to defend the technology. And especially don't twist the truth to make the dead guy look worse. Either suck it up and admit that the technology remains a work-in-progress, or ... perhaps a better choice ... say nothing at all bey…

His strategy is to fix the issue quick, and to prevent people from capitalizing on these opportunities to sink his company. You don't think Ford is throwing money at anyone who will bad-mouth Tesla? NHTSA will spin their wheels for a year on an investigation, and accomplish absolutely nothing.

I don't recall Ford, or any other manufacturer of note, publicly bashing a victim of a crash of one of their cars. Like telling the whole world that he had his hands off the wheel in the moments leading up to the crash while knowing that it had been nearly 20 minutes since he had been warned about it. Musk tried to use misinformation to deflect from his own knowledge [which was not yet public] that in fact the car erroneously switched into a lane-that-is-not-really-a-lane and then accelerated.

I know you're spending a lot of time white-knighting for Tesla on HN today, but c'mon, quit being so disingenuous about this. They are not at all perfect and in fact have made some spectacular missteps.

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Post by boznz »

They should also sack the execs who made the shitty decision to hire these guys, being approached by salesmen ruins any shopping experience IMHO and the whole debacle has probably lowered Tesla's image even more in the eyes of most people.
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