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Re: Told to Eat Its Vegetables, America Orders Fries

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Post by anigbrowl »

itistoday wrote: post #27
atomical wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a direct link because I am talking about calories. There is a myth that there are people who can eat whatever they want and not gain weight. Everyone has a base amount of calories to work from and if you go over that amount you gain weight.

It is not a myth at all. I am like points , I've been the same weight for several years, and while my diet has changed a whole lot, my weight has not. I can eat a stick of butter and I won't gain a pound (unless the butter weighs a pound..). My body simply won't store the extra energy, it uses what it needs and the rest goes out the end. It is a tad frustrating because I am a bit underweight as well.

Me too...but we are unusual in having such fast metabolisms, and are lucky to live in age of plenty.

Also, being skinny doesn't mean your arteries won't harden.

Re: Told to Eat Its Vegetables, America Orders Fries

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Post by m-photonic »

atomical wrote: post #28
points wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I just said, I CANNOT gain weight. It is simply impossible. I am not alone. I have been 9 1/2 stone for the last 10 years.

There have been studies that found people who were skinny thought they were eating more calories than they really were and that obese people thought they were eating less. I don't want to get into your specific issues here but it would be impossible for the average sedentary person not to gain weight eating the Michael Phelps diet. Calories matter. EDIT: I guess the people that believe calories don't matter and weigh…

>it would be impossible for the average sedentary person not to gain weight eating the Michael Phelps diet.

Seems like it would be pretty impossible for the average sedentary person to eat the Michael Phelps diet in the first place.

Re: Told to Eat Its Vegetables, America Orders Fries

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Post by anigbrowl »

zach wrote: post #36
twillerelator wrote: post #8

>People know that vegetables can improve health More like: we were cajoled and coerced into eating vegetables by our parents, who were in turn cajoled by their parents, etc. We then spend the rest of our lives rationalising this uncritical acceptance, which isn't the same thing as knowing something.

Not just our parents: http://www.fruitsandveggiesmatter.gov/ This site is a production of the Produce for Better Health Foundation, founded and funded by the Produce Marketers Association.

Like the meat producers don't do the same thing?

Re: Told to Eat Its Vegetables, America Orders Fries

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Post by what »

joe_the_user wrote: post #31
atomical wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a direct link because I am talking about calories. There is a myth that there are people who can eat whatever they want and not gain weight. Everyone has a base amount of calories to work from and if you go over that amount you gain weight.

"Who ya gonna believe, me or your own eyes?" (Groucho) I eat as much as I can, often twice as much an average person - it typical for me to have two helpings in a meal where most people have one. I have never gone over 145 pounds and I am 6' tall. I cannot gain weight, period. And I'm not alone as other posters mention.

You know, I find most skinny people who say they can't gain weight grossly overestimate the amount that they eat. (myself included)

Re: Told to Eat Its Vegetables, America Orders Fries

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Post by joe_the_user »

atomical wrote: post #28
points wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I just said, I CANNOT gain weight. It is simply impossible. I am not alone. I have been 9 1/2 stone for the last 10 years.

There have been studies that found people who were skinny thought they were eating more calories than they really were and that obese people thought they were eating less. I don't want to get into your specific issues here but it would be impossible for the average sedentary person not to gain weight eating the Michael Phelps diet. Calories matter. EDIT: I guess the people that believe calories don't matter and weigh…

I recall studies that show people with high metabolisms burn-off the calories with small motions/nervous habits but that's a bit different.

Anyway, if you try to argue against someone's personal experience, you should at least provide links to your claims rather than asserting the claims exist.

Re: Told to Eat Its Vegetables, America Orders Fries

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Post by waterlesscloud »

atomical wrote: post #28
points wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I just said, I CANNOT gain weight. It is simply impossible. I am not alone. I have been 9 1/2 stone for the last 10 years.

There have been studies that found people who were skinny thought they were eating more calories than they really were and that obese people thought they were eating less. I don't want to get into your specific issues here but it would be impossible for the average sedentary person not to gain weight eating the Michael Phelps diet. Calories matter. EDIT: I guess the people that believe calories don't matter and weigh…

Bytes matter. If you put more bytes in a program it's going to do more than a program with fewer bytes. It's that simple.

Re: Told to Eat Its Vegetables, America Orders Fries

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Post by joe_the_user »

atomical wrote: post #28
points wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I just said, I CANNOT gain weight. It is simply impossible. I am not alone. I have been 9 1/2 stone for the last 10 years.

There have been studies that found people who were skinny thought they were eating more calories than they really were and that obese people thought they were eating less. I don't want to get into your specific issues here but it would be impossible for the average sedentary person not to gain weight eating the Michael Phelps diet. Calories matter. EDIT: I guess the people that believe calories don't matter and weigh…

OK, here is the study:

http://www.diet-blog.com/08/neat_how_everyday_movement_keeps...

"In a study, sedentary lean and overweight people were fitted with "magical" underwear which monitored every movement of the body. Subjects were fed 1000 calories above their weight maintenance levels. People who can activate their NEAT don't gain fat when overfed, while those who don't switch on their NEAT were gaining literally 10 times more fat..."

-- Which implies that people indeed exist who eat more than standard calories and never gain weight.

Re: Told to Eat Its Vegetables, America Orders Fries

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Post by atomical »

joe_the_user wrote: post #47
atomical wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been studies that found people who were skinny thought they were eating more calories than they really were and that obese people thought they were eating less. I don't want to get into your specific issues here but it would be impossible for the average sedentary person not to gain weight eating the Michael Phelps diet. Calories matter. EDIT: I guess the people that believe calories don't matter and weigh…

OK, here is the study: http://www.diet-blog.com/08/neat_how_everyday_movement_keeps... "In a study, sedentary lean and overweight people were fitted with "magical" underwear which monitored every movement of the body. Subjects were fed 1000 calories above their weight maintenance levels. People who can activate their NEAT don't gain fat when overfed, while those who don't switch on their NEAT were gaining literally 1…

Yes, but that's not what the people who responding in this thread are saying. They are saying that they can NEVER gain weight no matter how much they eat. The study clearly says something different in relation to NEAT:

"About 30% of a person's daily expenditure comes from NEAT. (The other portions are from basal metabolism and thermic effect of eating). Those who are active have higher percentages of NEAT. This is the factor we have control over."

Re: Told to Eat Its Vegetables, America Orders Fries

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Post by narrator »

atomical wrote: post #16
rubashov wrote: post #12

The presumption that people need to eat a lot of vegetables is perhaps flawed: http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/why-eat-5-portions-1.html Population studies haven't really shown a clear benefit from eating a lot of vegetables.

The benefit is that you don't become overweight and obese. I lived in Korea for a year and those people know how to eat vegetables. They are filling and low calorie which makes it less likely for the sedentary person to put on weight.

Being overweight and obese is caused by eating too many calories. No really. If you don't believe me you can get the very long exhaustive scientific treatment of the subject over here: http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/hackdiet.html

Re: Told to Eat Its Vegetables, America Orders Fries

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Post by zach »

anigbrowl wrote: post #43
zach wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just our parents: http://www.fruitsandveggiesmatter.gov/ This site is a production of the Produce for Better Health Foundation, founded and funded by the Produce Marketers Association.

Like the meat producers don't do the same thing?

Is there an eatbeef.gov?!
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