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Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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I'm sure this is at least partly tied-in to their ongoing, illegal efforts to crush labor organizing at their plants. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-nlrb/worker-testifi...

How many tech workers would like their terms of employment, including compensation, to be decided by negotiations between a union and a company?

Count me in.

So far, the difference I have noticed between union and non-union areas is this: in the heavily unionized locales, all work done is very expensive, but it is also mostly done correctly; in the lightly unionized locales, work is inexpensive, but is slipshod, and without any express or implied warranty. Both take at least twice as long as you think should be necessary, but the union guys will at least show up and pretend to work, while the non-union guys will just ghost.

I want to be the guy that shows up and (eventually) does it right, while three other guys stand around and watch. I'd rather not be the guy that cannot meaningfully engage with the work, because the pay is peanuts, and I could get fired just for sneezing wrong. I (and my ancestors) have a deep-rooted desire to be able to dig in my heels and give someone an earful (or page-full, as it were) whenever they are about to do something stupid and involve me in it. I don't feel like "at will" employment gives me that option. If I speak truth to power, I can get fired.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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Just reading the first few comments.... I really don't get the Tesla hate. Is it hacker-ish contrarianism? Have they done something? What's the deal HN, why are we cheering against the home team? Overall Musk has been pretty straightforward and explicit with what he's doing. Tesla (and spacex) set extremely ambitious goals, like none of their competitors do. They take big risks. They're not interested in reducing ris…

The problem is that most unbiased news sources have been corrupted. Reddit has fallen, and hackernews is about all that's left. That means that the trolls have begun showing up here.

Trolls have gotten more skilled, and are able to convert new trolls without people realizing they have become trolls. You just have to get people angry a few times, and they'll do anything you want. Once they've calmed down, they'll continue doing the same thing for the sake of consistency.

Musk has pissed off the media by calling them out on their lack of ethics, so a storm is coming for Musk that will look very similar to what happened to Gamer-gate when they called out the media. The media literally branded them as women-haters with zero evidence and it stuck.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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Tesla and SpaceX are businesses and I never understood the public fandom behind them and Elon Musk. 3,500+ people losing their jobs is pretty significant for a leader who touts altruism as one of his top motivators.

You are not going to count all the jobs he created in the first place, and the years of gainful employment those 3500 people had? It’s just all negative in your estimation?

I don't know about you, but I prefer to not to reply to concern-trolling posts - just ignore stevievee.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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Looks like the 9% were mostly management in redundant roles, not production. 100% of the articles I have read about Tesla have been completely fabricated hit-pieces, or like this one, completely misleading. I think that at this point, they deserve the benefit of the doubt unless you're willing to actually read the article.

Have you tried reading their financials? Lots of good stuff in there. Do you consider Elon Musks Twitter to be unbiased, real news?

No one considers Elon Musks Twitter to be unbiased, real news. Stop trolling with false dichotomies.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

#195

Just reading the first few comments.... I really don't get the Tesla hate. Is it hacker-ish contrarianism? Have they done something? What's the deal HN, why are we cheering against the home team? Overall Musk has been pretty straightforward and explicit with what he's doing. Tesla (and spacex) set extremely ambitious goals, like none of their competitors do. They take big risks. They're not interested in reducing ris…

Interestingly, I see this from the exact opposite view. I'm surprised it's taken this long for the rubber to meet the road. Tesla sells the most electric vehicles, but it's hardly the sort of delta you describe ("extremely ambitious goals, like none of their competitors do"). Nissan and Tesla both hit the 300,000 car mark in January/February of 2018. And let's not forget the recent NTSB report, which revealed that "A…

the Saturn V developed by Boeing/NAA/Douglas in the 1960s could hurl three times as much weight to the moon as the Falcon Heavy

True. At more than an order of magnitude higher cost.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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As a Tesla investor, I'm very curious what the conversion rate is of Home Depot/Big Box customers vs Tesla stores. My guess would be it's much higher in Tesla stores. No one likes being bothered at Home Depot by sales staff when they've just popped in for a part.

The powerwall is next to the AC/insulation guy that seems like he is there about 50% of the time. He hooks people with "free home efficiency audits". I've seen a tesla rep there with lower frequency, but I'm having a hard time understanding how many they actually sell, because frankly where I live the only use case is going to be people with large enough solar installations to go off grid, as the power company doesn'…

I’m from the home town of Home Depot and never seen the AC guy or Tesla guy. The only place I’ve seen what you describe is in Costco?

Where are these people positioned in Home Depot to make it effective? Costco’s one entrance and one exit make it ideal for this kind of badgering.

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The value rests on the premise of them getting paid, which I assume they did.

whats incredible is the consistency i see this attitude here. you really think the value of job working for a predatory payday lender is the same as a public defender or teacher if they pay the same? i really doubt you do

Morality =/= Quality.

Working for a company that produces bad products is way better than a company whose product prey on the weak.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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In other words, Tesla is being approximately, literally decimated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_(Roman_army)

Except that it's not random, noone is being killed, and they are getting severance and stock vesting.

And - Musk said something about allowing them to move to other groups.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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I am waiting for my scheduled HR meeting along with several hundred other co workers in a few minutes. I am an outside, in-home residential solar salesperson hired by Tesla long after the Solar City aquisition. I have relied on the leads generated by the Home Depot employees. I am salaried and most likely going to get my walking papers today. It is apparent they don't see value in the proactive approach process to sa…

Sorry to hear that, man. You going to be alright?

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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How is it misleading? They purged contractors not long ago and are now laying off lots of people. Those are facts. They reported that "production associates" are unaffected by the layoffs -- which doesn't mean that people working in production aren't impacted. It just means that they aren't laying off hourly employees in production. The editorial at the bottom of the article rationalizes the decision and reflects tha…

Misleading in that, when you hear layoffs, you immediately think "financial trouble" because that's usually the context that you hear about layoffs. These articles you hear about Tesla are sometimes factual, but they're not published because they're factual. They're published to do damage and affect stock prices in a way that make specific people rich. It's the equivalent of playing poker, and affecting your neighbor…

The submitted article is from Electrek, which is a Tesla-friendly blog.

In the actual email, Musk says this:

> As part of this effort, and the need to reduce costs and become profitable, we have made the difficult decision to let go of approximately 9% of our colleagues across the company

How is that not related to “financial trouble”?

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