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Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My problem has always been that he pushes these altruistic goals "green earth"/"space travel" and then executes it with the most extreme version of capitalism available. It's like an ad campaign to him.

You must know him personally to make these assessments of his intentions, got any other stories to share?

He states them in every single press conference and interview? Edit: added "like" to the original comment.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

#162

Just reading the first few comments.... I really don't get the Tesla hate. Is it hacker-ish contrarianism? Have they done something? What's the deal HN, why are we cheering against the home team? Overall Musk has been pretty straightforward and explicit with what he's doing. Tesla (and spacex) set extremely ambitious goals, like none of their competitors do. They take big risks. They're not interested in reducing ris…

Musk has been acting like a wealthy douchebag on Twitter with Trump-style meltdowns about fake news, especially concerning the (excellent, quality journalism) reports about unsafe practices and union busting at his factories.

Basically, he's an empathy deficient exploitative narcissistic a-hole, an laying people off fits that picture perfectly.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

#163

Just reading the first few comments.... I really don't get the Tesla hate. Is it hacker-ish contrarianism? Have they done something? What's the deal HN, why are we cheering against the home team? Overall Musk has been pretty straightforward and explicit with what he's doing. Tesla (and spacex) set extremely ambitious goals, like none of their competitors do. They take big risks. They're not interested in reducing ris…

Apparently Musk really pissed off the media with his talks about creating a media ratings/fact-checking site. I'm actually following it closely because I'm also working on a fact-checking project. Maybe the hate predates this incident and has little to do with it, but a few weeks of negative articles can do a lot to change some people's attitudes. At one point CNN had an opinion piece on the homepage titled "Elon Mus…

Scepticism for Musk/Tesla has been around for much much longer than the fact-checking site idea.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

#164

Just reading the first few comments.... I really don't get the Tesla hate. Is it hacker-ish contrarianism? Have they done something? What's the deal HN, why are we cheering against the home team? Overall Musk has been pretty straightforward and explicit with what he's doing. Tesla (and spacex) set extremely ambitious goals, like none of their competitors do. They take big risks. They're not interested in reducing ris…

I think, he's started to quell too many disagreeing opinions. That's why people started seeing him as delusional. And his business seems to suffer from that. You need opposing views.

I get that you have to push forward strongly for a vision to succeed, but there seems to be a fine line between strongly pushing a vision and ignoring all important criticism. And right now he's no longer on the right side of that line IMHO.

That seems to be the price of success. People made him a hero and this is the result.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

#165

Just reading the first few comments.... I really don't get the Tesla hate. Is it hacker-ish contrarianism? Have they done something? What's the deal HN, why are we cheering against the home team? Overall Musk has been pretty straightforward and explicit with what he's doing. Tesla (and spacex) set extremely ambitious goals, like none of their competitors do. They take big risks. They're not interested in reducing ris…

Apparently Musk really pissed off the media with his talks about creating a media ratings/fact-checking site. I'm actually following it closely because I'm also working on a fact-checking project. Maybe the hate predates this incident and has little to do with it, but a few weeks of negative articles can do a lot to change some people's attitudes. At one point CNN had an opinion piece on the homepage titled "Elon Mus…

Ok, so that covers the media. What did he do to piss of hn?

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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Somewhere along the way I have come to appreciate that as a society we need to optimize better for psychological, financial and physical wellbeing of people prioritized by proximity: employees, community, humanity. It will definitely slow down innovation. We might go to Mars 20yrs late, no self driving cars for 10 more yrs, walk around the city some more before electric scooter land etc. Of course it is in conflict w…

Have you considered moving to Europe?

This. Even if you don't cross an ocean you can still vote with your feet. You get the benefit of living somewhere with agreeable politics and the group you left gets the benefit of being "rid" of you. Everyone is happier that way. Of course people just need to have their cake and eat it too which causes problems. Sure, moving is a pain in the butt for a laundry list of reason but you have to ask yourself is it less of a pain in the butt than living somewhere where most people hold mostly incompatible beliefs from your own and what your priorities are.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

#167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> illegal efforts Yet to be determined by a court. Precision in language is important, no matter how heated you are about a situation.

This itself seems like an imprecise argument. If there are well-known laws against doing something that has gone unpunished so far, is it then legal?

It is illegal to trespass, but you can also acquire the property you trespass upon by adverse possession.

If you can trespass for 20 years (varies by jurisdiction) without getting ejected, it's legal. And you now own the property.

If you don't enforce a trademark, it is void. There are statutes of limitations on a lot of crimes and torts, including those involving violence. So there is quite a lot of precedent involved in unenforced, flagrantly-violated laws becoming void.

One way around that is to elect government attorneys that will prosecute those laws, and government cops that will investigate suspected violations of those laws.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

#168

Just reading the first few comments.... I really don't get the Tesla hate. Is it hacker-ish contrarianism? Have they done something? What's the deal HN, why are we cheering against the home team? Overall Musk has been pretty straightforward and explicit with what he's doing. Tesla (and spacex) set extremely ambitious goals, like none of their competitors do. They take big risks. They're not interested in reducing ris…

He's used his public profile as a Barnum-esque celebrity to bury and bully away legitimate criticism of him and his companies' on any number of fronts, from worker mistreatment to the dangerous state of his self-driving program.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/what-its-like-when-elon-musks-...

https://www.revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is...

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tesla-racism-lawsuit-2...

https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/12/17229518/tesla-ntsb-autop...

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

#169

Tesla and SpaceX are businesses and I never understood the public fandom behind them and Elon Musk. 3,500+ people losing their jobs is pretty significant for a leader who touts altruism as one of his top motivators.

> a leader who touts altruism as one of his top motivators.

His stated motives are altruistic (making humans interplanetary, accelerating transition to clean energy, others), but that's quite different from altruism as a top motivator.

In this case, it was decided that laying off >3000 employees would best serve the goal of accelerating transition to clean energy.

Does that make more sense?

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

#170

Just reading the first few comments.... I really don't get the Tesla hate. Is it hacker-ish contrarianism? Have they done something? What's the deal HN, why are we cheering against the home team? Overall Musk has been pretty straightforward and explicit with what he's doing. Tesla (and spacex) set extremely ambitious goals, like none of their competitors do. They take big risks. They're not interested in reducing ris…

Possibly an aversion to seeing con men succeed at the con.

Con man? Really? What's the con?
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