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Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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A 9% adjustment isn’t bad against a business that is running as hot as Tesla...

Are they running hot? They're in serious financial trouble and have been unable to meet self-imposed production levels. Now they're laying off thousands of people.

They can't keep up with demand and their sales look like this over time:

$4 billion -> $7 billion -> $11.7 billion -> ~$17 billion

How is 4x growth in three fiscal years anything other than running hot?

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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This is definitely the move of a company in the process of scaling up production of their mass market vehicle that their valuation hinges on. Definitely not about managing cash flow.

Are you missing a "/s"? Or do you mean that they are preparing for another round of funding and want to improve their valuation?

It is the usual snark that dominates any discussion of Tesla. There's so much snark in these threads, it becomes hard to detect.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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Considering demand for product is outstripping their ability to produce product, their sales & marketing teams are setting a high standard of work the rest of the company has yet to meet. Feels a little unfair if they were the ones getting axed.

Or maybe they aren't needed at all? Most people I know that want a Tesla have wanted one forever and weren't really coerced into it by sales and marketing.

The best marketing is the one you don’t realise.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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A 9% adjustment isn’t bad against a business that is running as hot as Tesla...

Are they running hot? They're in serious financial trouble and have been unable to meet self-imposed production levels. Now they're laying off thousands of people.

"running hot" seems like an ambiguous metaphor in this case. It could mean "they're doing very well", but could also mean "in imminent danger of failure", as in a CPU or overworked engine. The latter might be what the parent meant.

Or maybe they didn't, and their choice of words is unintentionally amusing and ironic.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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Tesla's market cap is $55B If you do a quick math let's say they sold 400,000 Tesla (which they haven't yet) at an average of $100,000 each (which is probably lower) its net worth comes around $44B. I feel like company is way over valued and there is lot of fluff in the evaluation.

They've got $10 billion in debt, and have benefited from about $6 billion in various subsidies, incentives and tax breaks. It works out to about $40k per car shipped.

I think of Tesla not so much as a business than as a charitable religious nonprofit that relies on donations to assist the disadvantaged in acquiring luxury automobiles. Never underestimate the power of belief.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they running hot? They're in serious financial trouble and have been unable to meet self-imposed production levels. Now they're laying off thousands of people.

They are not in financial trouble. Most people are only skeptical if they can do it without raising capital. However everybody agrees that they both have many costumers waiting and would be able to raise capital. Nobody believes that Tesla is in real real serious troupe.

Spending tons more than you make and not having savings is traditionally called financial trouble. Even after a recent huge rally their most recently issued bonds are yielding 7% which means lots of real people think they are a risk.

Lots of customers is good, but the more cars they have made the more money they have lost. Negative operating leverage is really bad for any company, but especially one as cash intensive as manufacturing vehicles.

I'm rooting for them, but Tesla is indeed in serious financial trouble. Just ask Elon who fired 3,500 people so he could make the books look nicer.

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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Tesla and SpaceX are businesses and I never understood the public fandom behind them and Elon Musk. 3,500+ people losing their jobs is pretty significant for a leader who touts altruism as one of his top motivators.

Strange statement. Why would a business guy be judged on firing people. Its not like he is running a charity. I like SpaceX because of what they do, not because they 'provide jobs to the community'.

"Given that Tesla has never made an annual profit in the almost 15 years since we have existed, profit is obviously not what motivates us."

So they’re not a profitable business, and not a charity. What are they exactly?

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>> illegal efforts Yet to be determined by a court. Precision in language is important, no matter how heated you are about a situation.

Don't feed the trolls. He's a new account perhaps a UAW shill.

Yes, I agree. The only people who could possibly have problems with Tesla's hazardous working conditions and union-busting efforts are UAW shills, and as everybody knows, you can't be a valuable contributor to a conversation if you registered your account today. I think Merriam-Webster even lists the definition of "Internet troll" as "someone who has been on Hacker News for less than a month".

Re: Tesla is laying off ‘about 9%’ of its workforce as it ‘restructures’ the company

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> It means that Tesla could let go over 3,000 employees in this round of layoffs. > The CEO also confirmed that Tesla didn’t renew its contract with Home Depot to sell its energy products at their stores. Tesla energy advisors were supposed to be at 800 Home Depots across the US earlier this year. If they had 3.5 employees per store, and a team of 200 managing the entire effort, these layoffs could be attributed enti…

I wasn't even aware they HAD a contract. My local Home Depot has zero mention of any product Tesla makes.

Mine has a powerwall disaply. I remembering seeing it and thinking "I bet this is not effective". Guess I was right!
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