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Why some job adverts put women off applying

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Re: Why some job adverts put women off applying

#11
actually if they look closely enough they'll find out companies really want to hire clever workaholics who have modest salary requirements, never ask for raise or promotion and are easily taken advantage of. That's the perfect employee.

The only way around this is to create more demand for labour. Make employers compete more, break down monopolies, remove protections, moats, tax entrenched rent seeking.

Re: Why some job adverts put women off applying

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She says Textio taught her company to avoid terms such as "coding ninja" - a common phrase in Silicon Valley job ads. This would also put me off applying for the role. It makes the company sound immature and anyone who calls themselves a coding ninja may not have great self assesment skills.

Indeed. I haven’t actually seen very many ninja or rockstar type titles in the last few years so hopefully that particular fad has died off already. And I don’t know anyone, male or female, who doesn’t cringe at those kinds of titles either. Then again I am not in the webdev/fullstack market so maybe it does still happen.

Re: Why some job adverts put women off applying

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I would like to see the scientific evidence of this unconscious bias they are referring to. Im also skeptical of the claims that gender diversity alone will boost revenue 41%. That is a extremely bold claim.

That particular sentence in the article sounds very odd, as it suggests the baseline was a set of single-sex workplaces. I'm not sure where they found those. Perhaps the Catholic church?

Re: Why some job adverts put women off applying

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Replacing uncounscious bias, with conscious bias based on words that take into account both the employer and the canditate prejudices towards some words is a crazy tricky line of thought. To me it seems there's a problem, let's add an aditional layer of complexity to make it more intentional and less visible. The end result is that adverts get even more filled with prejudice.

Yeah, that's what always makes me uncomfortable about diversity efforts. Diversity? Sure, that sounds good. How you propose to get there? Ummm... not so sure about that. If you go back to the origin of the term "white privilege" as coined by Peggy McIntosh (in 1989, mind you, not 1972), you'll find that she defends to concept with such dubious claims as "being able to find music that represents your group" is a concrete example of "white privilege". Almost all of her examples are essentially unverifiable - yet, the solution (to white or male privilege) is always to replace intangible, nebulous advantages with very specific, concrete disadvantages.

Re: Why some job adverts put women off applying

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post #10

I would like to see the scientific evidence of this unconscious bias they are referring to. Im also skeptical of the claims that gender diversity alone will boost revenue 41%. That is a extremely bold claim.

That particular sentence in the article sounds very odd, as it suggests the baseline was a set of single-sex workplaces. I'm not sure where they found those. Perhaps the Catholic church?

I'm pretty sure that the Catholic church employs many fathers and sisters.

Re: Why some job adverts put women off applying

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Ofcom (i.e., UK government-approved regulatory and competition authority for the broadcasting, telecommunications and postal industries of the United Kingdom) mandates that for the BBC: 50% of leadership roles to be held by women by 2020.

http://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/10/13/ofcom-sets-new-ground...

With an infinite supply of talent and availability this will work. But the world isn't quite like that. Lots of women don't aspire to work 80 hours a week at full capacity over and above other life choices. Moreover, will gender trump merit on occasion? Who can doubt it?

Re: Why some job adverts put women off applying

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post #10

I would like to see the scientific evidence of this unconscious bias they are referring to. Im also skeptical of the claims that gender diversity alone will boost revenue 41%. That is a extremely bold claim.

I keep reading that tech is not very female-inclusive, and I keep wondering where these people are looking. Maybe San Francisco is different than any of the places I've worked in the past 25 years? I've been all over: deep south, midwest, north texas - I don't know if the gender ratio was 50/50 since I never did a headcount, but I sure remember an awful lot of women in technical roles everywhere I've ever worked. Maybe they're not counting Indian women?

Re: Why some job adverts put women off applying

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A job description that uses the phrase "We're looking for someone to manage a team" may seem innocuous enough.

But research has shown that the word "manage" encourages more men than women to apply for the role.

Changing the word to "develop" would make it more female-friendly, says Kieran Snyder

So all you have to do to attract more women to a job is to lie about what the job entails? Maybe jobs for managers put off women because they don't want to be managers.

Re: Why some job adverts put women off applying

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post #16

Ofcom (i.e., UK government-approved regulatory and competition authority for the broadcasting, telecommunications and postal industries of the United Kingdom) mandates that for the BBC: 50% of leadership roles to be held by women by 2020. http://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/10/13/ofcom-sets-new-ground... With an infinite supply of talent and availability this will work. But the world isn't quite like that. Lots of women…

your implicit assumption is that many men do "aspire to work 80 hours a week at full capacity over and above other life choices". I think that's a big assumption.

Re: Why some job adverts put women off applying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That particular sentence in the article sounds very odd, as it suggests the baseline was a set of single-sex workplaces. I'm not sure where they found those. Perhaps the Catholic church?

I'm pretty sure that the Catholic church employs many fathers and sisters.

I'm no expert on the Catholic Church, but what I've seen on TV (e.g. Father Ted) suggests that men work from certain locations, and women work from others. So each of the workplaces is single-sex, even if the overall organisation is not.
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