I was the first engineer at a TechStars startup that did have a successful exit (I was there about 5 years before the exit). If there is something I want YC to know, it's this: You helped create the culture of founder empowerment. You have the power to evolve that narrative to those that sacrifice as early employees. Tell the world that early employees deserve a lot more equity. Tell the world that early employees co…
Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
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Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#762Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those are not Google and not Silicon Valley. Try: http://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Google&job=Staff+Softwa... And keep in mind that base salary (what's reported on that page) is usually about half of total compensation. (Bonus and stock being the other half.) Also this appears to be the H1B database. I'm not sure how H1B salaries compare to the overall average.
> I'm not sure how H1B salaries compare to the overall average. H1B salaries are typically lower than average. Why do you think companies spend millions lobbying for more H1Bs? To pay them more than average? :-) Also, keep in mind Google only has to disclose base salaries for these H1Bs. For a staff engineer, most of the total comp would be in bonus pay and especially RSUs. They can easily be making $400k or more thr…
No, to get a bigger talent pool.
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#763This is pretty common in the convertible bond world. When I first learned that employees had to write a check to exercise that sounded crazy to me. I’m curious why net share settlement doesn’t seem to really exist in the startup world. Maybe due to the difficulty in determining current market price?
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#764I echo the comp aspect. I pretty much had a best case non-unicorn startup exit; wonderful benefits pre-acquisition, actual unlimited PTO, and normal ~40hr/workweek, acquired almost immediately after receiving my shares, golden handcuffs after. My total comp was more or less equivalent to my peers doing the big 4 grind over the same time period. They had zero risk and I had to win the start up lotto. But if I had to d…
>But if I had to do it all over again, I still might do the startup route. It's just more fun. There's more to life than money. Easy to say because you have gotten the money. :-D
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#765These pros/cons are based of my own experiences (I'm based in the UK).
The pros: - Come into work whenever you like (within reason) - Working with latest tech - company culture is usually great - Your team are usually very motivated and passionate about what they do - The challenges you usually face are exciting and interesting - Being present when the company meets new milestones is very satisfying
The cons: - Sometimes the features requested doesn't have enough information. This leads to the development team to either chase management for more information or make do with the information thats there. Which then leads to complaints or feedback after the work has completed (which could've been outlined before the work started) - Management usually want to know the fastest way to do a feature and then claim to allocate time to deal with the technical debt later (it usually never happens) - Management also doesn't prioritize the stabiliy of the application which in turn can lead to more issues and bugs along the way. - Deadlines get shorter and stricter as the company gains momentum. As a result you're expected to do more overtime or work later if you fall behind. There is usually no room for error here. - Work/life balance is not so great - Doesn't provide great benefits such as pensions/healthcare/dental - No room for advancement
I don't think its too bad working in a startup, but once I became employed to a (self-funded) medium sized company, their culture seemed significally better. They provided all the pros outlined above and had fewer cons. Work/Life balance was much better, allowing us to work from home or flexibility to do so if we needed to be home for a delivery or take the car to the garage for example.
Also, its more relaxed. While there were deadlines, we're also not encouraged to rush anything, we were the ones who dictated how long it takes to add a feature and set our own deadlines based on the complexity of the feature. We also had the ability to push back the roadmap accordingly if necessary in order to make sure something is done right. The reason for this is that bugs or issues can really damage the companies repuation and so its pretty important we take our time and do all the due-diligence required before our releases.
I suspect working for a self-funded company is better because the clients/customers are already there or on-boarded. There is no/little pressure from the shareholders or investors to get things done quickly. I would imagine that a startup has a lot to prove and so needs to impress in order to get more funding.
Note that these are my personal experiences, I've only worked for 4 startups but I've had very similar experiences with all of them. If Startups are able to at least alieviate all of the cons I've outlined above then I would be happy.
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#766Earlier quoted context omitted.
What also comes into the picture here is the extremely high cost of living in the Bay Area. Even startups have to offer $200k in non-"maybe" compensation to make sure people can afford living here. Even a relatively small size startup with 50 people now already has $10 million in salary costs per year (not even counting taxes, benefits, etc.). So overall the balance is tilted very much in favor of the big companies t…
Which raises the ancient Quan - why are startups so reluctant, as a species, to establish remote teams? How come VCs are even allowing their investees to pay bubbly rents and wages?
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#767Pros: - No layers of management BS
- Startups seem to be more flexible about work hours and remote work
- More wiggle room to experiment; open to embracing new tech
Cons:
- Inexperienced leads, managers, CXOs. I can't stress this enough.
- Uncertainty. You gotta have a bag packed, ready to hit the streets at short notice
- Slog it out as an 'early employee' for years and watch the company go down the drain. That is the story of most startups. The chances of making it big are astronomically low.
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#768I suspect true "market" rates are between $120-200k, depending on the seniority of the employee and the stage of the firm. A lot lower once you step away from US Pacific.
I think the best reason to be an early employee at a startup is if you plan on founding your own startup one day and want to get some hands-on experience. You won't make the strategic decisions, but you'll have easy access to the founders and will get to learn a lot about how to set up and run a company (both good and bad).
So why not just found your own company? Well, here are a few reasons: (a) you need financing but don't know how fundraising works and don't have a network to tap (b) you don't know how sales works (c) you don't have a good co-founder lined up (d) you're still a junior engineer and don't feel confident you could build a product by yourself (e) you haven't found a problem that excites you enough to feel justified working on.
I also notice a heavy trend in the comments here towards: employees should be rewarded almost as much as founders. I'm sorry, but no. A good founder will likely have spent years researching and understanding the problem space before finally trying to set up a company for it. They may be paying you with their own money. At the very least they had to starve long enough to raise enough money to pay you. They've taken on pain and risk. If you want to get equity comparable to a founder, go work for a pre-seed startup for free. In other words, if you want founder stakes, go be a founder.
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#769-A perspective from Chicago- Early stage engineer at startups (including a unicorn): pros: Fun work, you learn a ton, unlimited PTO (if you can actually use it), lavish benefits like free lunch, decent company culture, opportunities to try new things. cons: Poor work life balance, low chance of a bonus, low equity if any, poor management/leadership, lots of hand wavey bs about being number 1, poor career progression,…
Re: Ask HN: Pros and cons of working at a startup in 2018?
#770Earlier quoted context omitted.
Plenty of us don't want to work for them regardless of pay.
I'm not sure "plenty". More like "few".
I'd be curious to see a poll on this though.