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Ajit Pai says you’re going to love the death of net neutrality

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Most of the repelled rules were in effect only since 2014. I don't remember the web being a terrible place before 2014.

You weren't paying attention then. Here are a few of the pre-2014 instances of blatant fuckery: https://www.freepress.net/our-response/expert-analysis/expla...

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Its important for everyone to know that the existence of non-existence of the Obama-era NN rules had no bearing on what most people think net neutrality did. (read: Those rules did nothing for consumer protection). ISPs were free to opt-out of those rules if they so chose to do so.

https://techliberation.com/2017/07/12/heres-why-the-obama-fc...

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Can I be the antagonist here?

I simply want a free market for the internet. Stop with government intervention on both sides. Simply protect the consumer and let the free market take over.

Who cares if companies like netflix get charged more? It will allow another competitor to bubble up since Netflix will start adjusting their prices. This works. Its called capitalism.

In theory, simply look at Lasik. Lasik 5 years ago, used to be 5k an eye. Now I can get it from a Pandora commercial for just $200.00. Thats capitalism. It drove prices down. I expect the same thing to happen with this. Competition will drive prices down quickly. It also allows the providers like Cox or Verizon to invest in their infrastructure. EVERYONE knows we are way behind Japan and other countries with our infrastructure.

Let people decide with their dollars, rather than the government deciding.

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> ISPs' required disclosures "will allow consumers to make an informed decision about which Internet service provider is best for them The one that's best for me is literally the only one that's available in my area, so my informed decision is whether to have the internet or not.

The FCC actually changed the definition of an ISP so that cellular and satellite providers are included. Meaning according to official FCC statistics your area is swarming with competition, in spite of having just a single wired ISP.

In fact according to official statistics, even rural areas with zero wired internet options have a great competitive landscape. Let that sink in...

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Whatever is happening in America these days is tipped in balance towards whoever owns the gun. If the gun owners say "no net neutrality" what the other 99% say doesn't matter. A confidence by way of vote in the next election might reverse this but it is no mystery that the weight of a bullet is still much higher than that of a vote. Basically, choosing between death vs. a shepherd. I wouldn't be surprised if a flip o…

I'm not following your analogy about "the gun". Can you rephrase?

He's coming off a crack-binge. Pay no mind.

Re: Ajit Pai says you’re going to love the death of net neutrality

#46

He removed the consumer protection. I now know with full confidence he will lie to my face just like certain other politicians. All of his words are now and in the future are automatically hollow.

Cite your claim. He strengthened it. Obama admin didn't actually implement any consumer protection.

Re: Ajit Pai says you’re going to love the death of net neutrality

#47

Can I be the antagonist here? I simply want a free market for the internet. Stop with government intervention on both sides. Simply protect the consumer and let the free market take over. Who cares if companies like netflix get charged more? It will allow another competitor to bubble up since Netflix will start adjusting their prices. This works. Its called capitalism. In theory, simply look at Lasik. Lasik 5 years a…

>Let people decide with their dollars, rather than the government deciding.

Government is people deciding with their votes, because letting people decide with their dollars means whoever has the most dollars gets to make all the decisions.

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#48

Its important for everyone to know that the existence of non-existence of the Obama-era NN rules had no bearing on what most people think net neutrality did. (read: Those rules did nothing for consumer protection). ISPs were free to opt-out of those rules if they so chose to do so. https://techliberation.com/2017/07/12/heres-why-the-obama-fc...

It's important for everyone to know the author of that linked article is a senior fellow at, "The Mercatus Center at @GeorgeMasonU is the world’s premier university source for market-oriented ideas." and is actively passing off FUD cover for the deregulation today: https://www.mercatus.org/bridge/commentary/10-things-you-nee...

Re: Ajit Pai says you’re going to love the death of net neutrality

#49

Can I be the antagonist here? I simply want a free market for the internet. Stop with government intervention on both sides. Simply protect the consumer and let the free market take over. Who cares if companies like netflix get charged more? It will allow another competitor to bubble up since Netflix will start adjusting their prices. This works. Its called capitalism. In theory, simply look at Lasik. Lasik 5 years a…

> In theory, simply look at Lasik. Lasik 5 years ago, used to be 5k an eye. Now I can get it from a Pandora commercial for just $200.00. Thats capitalism. It drove prices down. I expect the same thing to happen with this. Competition will drive prices down quickly. It also allows the providers like Cox or Verizon to invest in their infrastructure. EVERYONE knows we are way behind Japan and other countries with our infrastructure.

Neither of your comparisons is on point. (a) A market like surgical services doesn't have significant barriers to entry. But the need to lay last-mile fiber or cable is a significant barrier to market entry. (b) Japan did not get its digital infrastructure through laissez-faire policies.

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Its important for everyone to know that the existence of non-existence of the Obama-era NN rules had no bearing on what most people think net neutrality did. (read: Those rules did nothing for consumer protection). ISPs were free to opt-out of those rules if they so chose to do so. https://techliberation.com/2017/07/12/heres-why-the-obama-fc...

That's a legal theory that was never challenged (i.e. that ISPs could fall outside of Common Carrier status and bypass Title II). It was likely never challenged because not being a Common Carrier might make them liable for the content traveling over the wire.

This article is ruminating on what might occur, not what actually occurred.

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