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Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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As much as I like Microsoft, Bing is awful. Ive used it, and I tried to like it. It can't find anything.

Bing's video search (particularly for porn) is the best in the business.

> (particularly for porn)

I had not considered Bing a serious competitor to Google's search engine until now.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

#122
I installed etar, but I fail to see how this is a replacement for Google calendar. It is a nice app with seemingly identical functionality that still reads and works with my Google calendar feed and seemingly nothing else. If Google still hosts my calendar, then this app isn't providing anything of value privacy wise. Am I missing something here? I've been looking for a Google calendar replacement that respects privacy for years. I hear rumors proton mail might get one at some point... but I'm not holding my breath.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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I'm a little discouraged when I see articles like this that seem to be completely tuned for developers or look over completely decent pro-privacy alternatives like Apple. For example, the "best" calendar alternative is Etar which looks to a Github repo. Really? At the very least you could mention Apple Calendar. Is Maps.Me (which uses AdSense) really better than Apple Maps? I'm not a fan of hooktube either - it just…

It's not that "privacy-focused" tends to be conflated with FLOSS. Rather, it's nearly impossible to guarantee privacy in proprietary software. The transparency of FLOSS makes it trustless. Want to know what data of yours, if any, is being collected? Look at the code. This is why, when it comes to privacy, Apple isn't worth consideration. All we have is their word, and that simply isn't enough.

With tools like Guix (and then hopefully, eventually distributed networks like IPFS / Dat doing the distribution) we will be able to have people audit free software and every user being guaranteed to have the exact version that was audited.

The future looks good if we just continue to implement it the way it should be.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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Unless you live in China. In that case the Chinese government has full unfettered access to your iCloud Drive data and iCloud email.

If you live in China its game over anyway :) Get a VPN, somehow, and create non-Chinese iCloud accounts. Always on VPN is actually a good thing everywhere.

Always on VPN hinders my productivity. I live in China and sometimes the VPN connection stalls so while the my operating system indicates it is active, packets aren't being sent/received (I'm on macOS/iOS). Resetting my VPN connection does the trick, but my point is that VPNs aren't stable in China. I need them but I'm annoyed when data isn't pushed/pulled when I expect it to be.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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I'm a little discouraged when I see articles like this that seem to be completely tuned for developers or look over completely decent pro-privacy alternatives like Apple. For example, the "best" calendar alternative is Etar which looks to a Github repo. Really? At the very least you could mention Apple Calendar. Is Maps.Me (which uses AdSense) really better than Apple Maps? I'm not a fan of hooktube either - it just…

Apple iCloud privacy policy mirrors Google's. You gain absolutely nothing if you upload your contacts, photos and other data to iCloud. Apple also regularly gives iCloud data dumps to US government (they approved and delivered data in about 80% of US Government requests in 2017: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/25/apple-second-2017-trans... )

(The exceptions here are iMessage and phone backups which are E2E encrypted.)

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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post #17

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It's not that "privacy-focused" tends to be conflated with FLOSS. Rather, it's nearly impossible to guarantee privacy in proprietary software. The transparency of FLOSS makes it trustless. Want to know what data of yours, if any, is being collected? Look at the code. This is why, when it comes to privacy, Apple isn't worth consideration. All we have is their word, and that simply isn't enough.

Apple makes its money from expensive hardware. And respecting your privacy and security helps selling it a lot . And they earned trust by being serious about it for a long time.

Until it paid for them them to sell out their Chinese customers. There they didn't think for a second.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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Again, like I or others mentioned before. If you don't want to be the product, you just have to pay the equivalent of a beer in month [0]. You need a own domain, but who doesn't these days? [0] https://gsuite.google.com/pricing.html

Some people trust a company to outlive their domain registrations, and hence prefer not to use a custom domain. A custom domain, commonly of the format, also leaks personal information every time it’s used, whereas a consumer mail provider domain name doesn’t (as long as one chooses a somewhat random address).

On the other hand it does let you switch providers easily without all your contacts noticing.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

#128

Add Safari for browser, iCloud Drive and iCloud for email, to complete the list.

Unless you live in China. In that case the Chinese government has full unfettered access to your iCloud Drive data and iCloud email.

Even in US, Apple regularly gives data dumps to US government. iCloud DOES NOT have the same privacy guarantees than iMessage and similar. The iCloud Privacy Policy closely mirrors Googles.

Here's the report - Apple gave data to US government in 80% of requests in 2017: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/25/apple-second-2017-trans...

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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post #17

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It's not that "privacy-focused" tends to be conflated with FLOSS. Rather, it's nearly impossible to guarantee privacy in proprietary software. The transparency of FLOSS makes it trustless. Want to know what data of yours, if any, is being collected? Look at the code. This is why, when it comes to privacy, Apple isn't worth consideration. All we have is their word, and that simply isn't enough.

> Want to know what data of yours, if any, is being collected? Look at the code. I find this to be an extremely un-compelling position. A relatively small proportion of the general population has the skills to meaningfully look at the code, never mind the time. Moreover, even for someone who is capable, such an exercise quickly becomes non-trivial on an unfamiliar codebase for an app of any complexity. In many cases…

That's something reproducible builds address.

Re: Alternatives to Google Products

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I'm a little discouraged when I see articles like this that seem to be completely tuned for developers or look over completely decent pro-privacy alternatives like Apple. For example, the "best" calendar alternative is Etar which looks to a Github repo. Really? At the very least you could mention Apple Calendar. Is Maps.Me (which uses AdSense) really better than Apple Maps? I'm not a fan of hooktube either - it just…

But Apple services are still not privacy focused services and for most of them, you have to use an Apple device, which is still less than 10% of PC market and less than 30% of mobile one.
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