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​Mark Shuttleworth on where Canonical and Ubuntu Linux are going next

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Re: ​Mark Shuttleworth on where Canonical and Ubuntu Linux are going next

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"I'm now convinced a lot of the people who demanded its demise never used it."

I personally always wondered if anybody at Canonical had ever used it. It never worked right. You always had the feeling that you have to beg to make unity accept a mouse movement or a key shortcut to view that damned panel -- for starters.

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You can love technology and you can have new projects and it can all be kumbaya and open source, but what really matters is computers, virtual machines, virtual disks, virtual networks. So we ruthlessly focus on delivering that and then also solving all the problems around that.

What is he even talking about?

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I think the major distros defaulting to GNOME is not going to end well. I tried very hard to use (and like) GNOME Shell for a while, and put it on my wife's computer as well. I always ended up finding completely wrong for the way I want to interact with my computer. And my wife long complained "why don't you switch my machine to the nice interface you use" and finally last week I did switch her off of GNOME and she's…

I'm interested to learn why they chose to switch to Gnome instead of KDE plasma. What was the thinking behind it? Why wasn't the community involved in the decision? Gnome has the backing of Redhat and is the default DE on Fedora, so Canonical backing an alternative would have been desirable. I'm biased, but Plasma or even Mate would have been much better choices. Plasma has been so good lately and seems to take commu…

I've heard lots of good things about KDE lately.

For Canonical: I suppose it sort of makes sense from a historical perspective in that before Unity they used Gnome, so they were returning to Gnome. But given that Gnome appears to be a single-threaded Javascript engine with memory leaks, I'm not convinced it's a great choice. Still, Gnome is backed by Red Hat and just got a $1 million donation ( https://www.gnome.org/news/2018/05/anonymous-donor-pledges-1... ), so in theory it should get better....but I've been thinking "it should get better soon" for a while, so who knows.

Re: ​Mark Shuttleworth on where Canonical and Ubuntu Linux are going next

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post #23

You can love technology and you can have new projects and it can all be kumbaya and open source, but what really matters is computers, virtual machines, virtual disks, virtual networks. So we ruthlessly focus on delivering that and then also solving all the problems around that. What is he even talking about?

No more vanity projects for the desktop version of Ubuntu is what I got out of it. He’s probably referring to the spirit in which Ubuntu desktop was originally released (the Linux desktop for everybody) and now the focus is on things that can assist virtualization and containers in the cloud.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the major distros defaulting to GNOME is not going to end well I agree. While standardization has its benefits, I think homogeneity also has significant drawbacks. Unfortunately, rare is the Linux desktop environment that gets things right for me. KDE comes close, I guess. > And my wife long complained "why don't you switch my machine to the nice interface you use" and finally last week I did switch her off…

> I agree. While standardization has its benefits, I think homogeneity also has significant drawbacks. Unfortunately, rare is the Linux desktop environment that gets things right for me. KDE comes close, I guess. I haven't seriously tried KDE, though I've heard lots of good things about it recently. I don't know why Ubuntu chose GNOME over Mate, the latter seems a perfectly fine typical desktop environment paradigm.…

I've recently started playing with i3. It is very nice. I don't know how to do a lot of things. I have to Google how to connect to a new WiFi connection every time on my phone. However, I like it a lot. Worst case scenario, I have to reboot and log in with gnome.

Personally, I am all for standardization and homogeneity. We need standards and homogeneity. I would gladly steamroll over all the people who oppose "monoculture" for the sake of opposing something.

You can't please everyone but I think gnome is the right answer for most people. Don't like something? Come join the discussion at https://gitlab.gnome.org (I hope I got that right)

Better link https://gitlab.gnome.org/groups/GNOME/-/issues

Re: ​Mark Shuttleworth on where Canonical and Ubuntu Linux are going next

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm interested to learn why they chose to switch to Gnome instead of KDE plasma. What was the thinking behind it? Why wasn't the community involved in the decision? Gnome has the backing of Redhat and is the default DE on Fedora, so Canonical backing an alternative would have been desirable. I'm biased, but Plasma or even Mate would have been much better choices. Plasma has been so good lately and seems to take commu…

I've heard lots of good things about KDE lately. For Canonical: I suppose it sort of makes sense from a historical perspective in that before Unity they used Gnome, so they were returning to Gnome. But given that Gnome appears to be a single-threaded Javascript engine with memory leaks, I'm not convinced it's a great choice. Still, Gnome is backed by Red Hat and just got a $1 million donation ( https://www.gnome.org/…

> I've heard lots of good things about KDE lately

Modern KDE (e.g. 5.12+) is amazing! It's slim, it's fast, it lets you configure tons of stuff and it looks beautiful.

If you haven't used it in the last two years you should give it a try!

Re: ​Mark Shuttleworth on where Canonical and Ubuntu Linux are going next

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I think the major distros defaulting to GNOME is not going to end well. I tried very hard to use (and like) GNOME Shell for a while, and put it on my wife's computer as well. I always ended up finding completely wrong for the way I want to interact with my computer. And my wife long complained "why don't you switch my machine to the nice interface you use" and finally last week I did switch her off of GNOME and she's…

I think the point of the article wasn't to argue which desktop env is the bestest, but rather that as far as canonical is concerned the desktop can go DIAF (except as a gateway drug for their server/iot stuff). They are focusing on cloud / iot.

So they dumped their own thing. Since unity was partially based on gnome, they used gnome before, and somebody else (rh) keeps pumping resources into it, it seems like a natural choice.

Re: ​Mark Shuttleworth on where Canonical and Ubuntu Linux are going next

#29

Serious question: What are the advantages of Ubuntu on a server over, say, Debian?

Ubuntu has more frequent releases, but since people are using Ubuntu LTS that's a very good question considering Debian also has LTS releases on the same frequency.
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