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Black-white education gap is trivially explained by black-white IQ gap. (If you don't believe in IQ, standardized test score gap, or whatever.) It's not school's fault. The most probable reason is genetics.
The most probable reason is income inequality + public education system mostly paid by local real estate taxes. This creates the chicken & egg problem where poor neighborhood causes bad education which causes poverty.
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
The most probable reason is income inequality + public education system mostly paid by local real estate taxes. This creates the chicken & egg problem where poor neighborhood causes bad education which causes poverty.
Education has insignificant effect on IQ, so this can't be true.
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I think that depends on how you measure success. Strictly in business terms, sure they have more success than other groups, but I don't think (assuming here, no facts) they have over taken White people as the predominant group in leadership roles, high paying positions, or otherwise 'stakeholders'. If that's not true, feel free to correct.
See [1] and [2]. For example, 2015 median household income for Indian Asians is $100K while the same statistic for white non-hispanics appears to be $63K. [1] http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/fact-sheet/asian-americans-in... [2] https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/visualizations...
Skilled immigration is awesome for the US.
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Education has insignificant effect on IQ, so this can't be true.
Actually education does have a significant effect on IQ. http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/109/2/425.full.pdf
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Actually education does have a significant effect on IQ. http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/109/2/425.full.pdf
Yes, you can attain statistical significance with large sample (N > 100,000). No, it's still insignifcant, because effect size is so small. Did you read the article? The effect is less than 1 point of IQ, whereas black-white IQ gap is usually quoted as 15 points.
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Everybody talks about the pipeline problem, it's just whatever specific stage of the pipeline you're at it's much easier to shunt responsibility down to an earlier stage. Having problems hiring black tech workers? It's the college's fault. Having problems graduating black students with BSs in STEM? It's the high school's fault. Having problems graduating black students from high school? Really it's the fault of the c…
Black-white education gap is trivially explained by black-white IQ gap. (If you don't believe in IQ, standardized test score gap, or whatever.) It's not school's fault. The most probable reason is genetics.
Even if that were true for one gender (and it's not), it wouldn't be true for the other unless there is also a recent and accelerating, genetically-determined, IQ gap between black men and black women.
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Tech companies are being actively leaned on to lower their standards to hire more black workers. Saying there aren’t jobs for them is nonsense.
"lower their standards to hire more black workers." do you hear yourself? You have linked color with standard. Companies hire based on skill, experience and culture fit.
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Let’s assume (correctly imo) that every subgroup (race, gender, origin, sexuality, etc.) is equally skilled. If you apply a technical standard equally, you end up with a market distribution of hires. Companies are being leaned on to over represent certain groups relative to their market distribution. That’s not possible industry wide unless you lower your technical standards for that subgroup.
First of all, in the technical field you can not lower standards by much. A person either has a degree or necessary experience or they don't. The fact that they are underrepresented is because the talent isn't there. Now, OP's statement, no matter how much justified it is logically is propagating a nasty stigma associated with black workers -- that they are here to meet a quota or are less intelligent and experienced…
Deal with it.
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That is better than what I have seen. Where it was possible to tell I have never seen a black applicant to a programming job. That is as a founder and in previous roles where I helped review resumes and do interviews. We also saw something like (estimating) 50 men to every 1 woman last time we advertised a job. If there is a problem it is "upstream." I'd be happy to interview black candidates if they existed.
Same. I felt like I was racist and sexist while trying to hire people, based on the results (a team of 90% white males). But it was not a problem I could solve.
We did not seek any specific racial or gender outcome. We ended up with an all white male team by taking a small sample from a pool of ~75% white male candidates (with the remainder being largely asian males). The odds are strongly in favor of that outcome even if all else is equal.
The only point of me posting to this thread was to agree that this issue is not primarily the fault of hiring managers, or at least it isn't in most cases. Like most social issues I think this one is complex and has multiple causes. For blacks we have: multi-generational impoverishment due to past red-lining and similar policies sabotaging intergenerational wealth accumulation, poor schools in many black neighborhoods, and a culture in the black community that does not prize intellectualism. Obama helped the latter a bit by virtue of his mere existence in such a position.
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#100Oh wow, that chart titled ‘Little Has Changed’ with the X axis pushed out to 100%. Looks like, if you squint hard enough, Facebook has at least tripled their number of black coders.
If you scroll over, it shows that the share increased from 1% to 3% from 2014 to 2017. And the total number of employees has almost certainly gone up in that same time frame.