The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?
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#412Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not entirely convinced that others' poor ethics are a justification for your own.
What argument can you possibly make for an ethical burden that amounts to one-sided loyalty? The REASON is would be immoral to have no loyalty to an employer is because it makes the employers loyalty one-sided. If the employer abandons their loyalty towards employees, as all modern employers did throughout the 1980s and have now established as standard business practice, then there is no ethical burden on the employe…
Some people steal; some might have even stole something from you. Doesn't mean you have to too, and I doubt most people are held back only by law/punishment.
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#413I can offer so much on the topic, that it gets overwhelming as I type. So I am just writing my thoughts, some of them on the article and some based on the comments on this page.
- Not all engineers are of low quality. In my experience about 10% of them are as good as SV engineers.
- Infosys founder NRN is a socialist at heart. He pioneered sharing of wealth via stocks (ESOPs). And he did it so well, that all employees got it - drivers to janitors to sys admins to coders. So very unlike the shocking Amazon shop floor stories we hear.
- It has resulted in an ecosystem of Startups in India. Many of the ex-employees who benefitted from the Infosys shares, are doing their own startups (many of them product startups, as a result of getting bored with IT services). So it has acted like a YCombinator of sorts. There even was a ex-Infoscion startup group. And the best part is they can do their own angel funding. So no running for VCs atleast in the early stages.
- For the above reason, I revere him as much as may be a Gandhi or a MLK. The other two I read, only in a book. Very rarely do you get a chance to interact with truly great people IRL.
- Jugaad. This a word I hate with a vengeance. That's what gives a bad impression to Indians. And admittedly it happens a lot. Although Infosys founders, in how they ran their company, serve largely as a counter example. Minus of course some things like H1B visa issue. Just as a contrast read the story of Satyam (another IT company) whose founder Raju did wholesale jugaad and landed in jail in 2009, because the real estate leverage built on fake salaries of fictitous employees, his jugaad, failed.
- Product engineer skills. This is an area, where Infosys/others lack. And thats not only for aptitude or potential, but the culture. Because the Industry grew so fast - 100% YOY in early decades and 50% YOY in the last one - people were pushed to being managers & leads, after just two years of coding experience. And as such bulk of the work is very low quality coding.
- But the numbers in India are so big. Whether its the population of a billion+ or no. of engineers. That there is both quality and quantity. Just look at any coding site (HackerRank, TopCoder et al) and you will see Indian programmers dominating in numbers as well as few performing at a world class quality level.
- Regarding the bad experience, with Indian IT engineers. I wonder how many of them were with a company like Infosys and how many of them were with sites like UpWork/etc? Please note because of the overwhelming quantity of Indian engineers. Its not easy to find the quality engineers, which are also significant in number, but you have to be lucky or have to work hard. (Heck, may be there is a scope to do a TopTal like site, but just for India.)
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#414Re: The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?
#415Earlier quoted context omitted.
At work, we've had issues with Indian candidates informing us during interviews that they've already recently accepted an offer / started a new job, but that they're willing to come work for us instead. Completely oblivious to the fact of how big of an immediate red flag that is.
A candidate who want to get better offer is a red flag ?
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#416Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and they'd call anyone a fool who followed some set of rules or principles instead of getting ahead > It's hard to argue they're wrong. Except for the fact that in this very thread there seems to be quite a backlash against them. Seems to be very short-term and selfish thinking.
If the cost of multi-multi-billion dollar industry is backlash on the internet forums, that's hardly a difficult choice.
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#417Earlier quoted context omitted.
The first example is straight out of the oxford dictionary link that I posted. It's at the bottom of the page under "Informal, dialect". https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/them A couple of other examples: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB33z9xoSw8&feature=youtu.be... 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elUsB4y5RVk There are plenty more examples on Google. -- I want to say I take your point. I wouldn't us…
I saw the dictionary entry. Still, take it from a native (US)speaker. The only time you would want to use it is either in jest, or to sound like an uneducated hillbilly. *edit - I will add that the 2 youtube videos are not good examples to be learning english from...
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#418Re: The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?
#419Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah the joys of HN. Here is a source for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxWpvgTH9oI&t=25m27s
Well, it's surprising. Don't know what it means but it does mean something.
The view I have on it is that in China, there is a large and growing interest in large, long-term investment in new technologies and new ideas. Obviously there's a continuum and China is also still implementing and scaling technologies built in the west, but there's a definite commitment towards breaking new ground as well.
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#420IT miracle? More like IT sham. The quality of engineers in India is sketchy at best in my experience. Lack of understanding and innovation is rife across the board, but they seem to be great at selling their service. This may be because of the "yes" culture other comments have mentioned, but I would guess it's got a lot to do with a massively undercut price. It is, however, a false economy, because you often end up i…