NTSB: Autopilot steered Tesla car toward traffic barrier before deadly crash

Post by jonhendry18 » Fri, Jun 08, 2018, 2:45 AM UTC

Robotbeat wrote: post #329

userbinator wrote: post #306

This just reconfirms my belief about Tesla's "autopilot" --- most of the time it behaves like an OK driver, but occasionally makes a fatal mistake if you don't pay attention and correct it. In other words, you have to be more attentive to drive safely with it than without, since a normal car (with suspension and tires in good condition, on a flat road surface) will not decide to change direction unless explicitly dir…

You can't make that kind of conclusion from a single, extremely-highly-publicized occurrence, even a fatal one. Given how often human drivers kill people, you need statistics to show that autopilot is worse.

Post by unethical_ban » Fri, Jun 08, 2018, 2:49 AM UTC

unethical_ban wrote: post #164

aerovistae wrote: post #15

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A joke? It's verifiable because he said he might name it Pravda, and the fact that he actually registered it is further evidence that it's a joke? I'm not saying he's really going to do it, but I question your certainty here with a total lack of actual evidence.

Verifiably is a strong word on this site. Fair enough. I'm still right though. Options: * In 2018, A foreign-born Capitalist billionaire with sometimes negative press coverage suggests creating a Ministry of Truth named after a Russian propaganda newspaper to call out journalists who make false claims in their reporting. He registers a corporation for that purpose on the 100th anniversery of a bloody revolution bring…

Post by erikpukinskis » Fri, Jun 08, 2018, 2:50 AM UTC

AmVess wrote: post #307

ekianjo wrote: post #256

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Yeah, because we know governments are really good at giving certifications and doing tests that mean sonething. Lets put every design decision in the hand of governements then! or better, nationalize car companies! Problem solved?

Flying in an airplane is safe because of direct intervention by the government. Cars have been made safe for us also by direct intervention by the government. From important things like mandating seat belts and crash safety to smaller things like forcing the recall of tens of millions of faulty air bag inflators. These are just a few of the many things Uncle Sam has done to make things safer for us.

Post by rohit2412 » Fri, Jun 08, 2018, 2:57 AM UTC

martin_bech wrote: post #125

Analemma_ wrote: post #45

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I shouldn't have to keep saying this in every thread about Tesla autopilot, but I guess I do: the fact that there will probably one day be autonomous driving systems that are safer than human drivers does not imply that Tesla's current system is safer than human drivers.

I think it is safer. Its of course dependant on the situation ie. Highway cruising. But I think it is. (Human drivers are not that high of a bar, I see crashes at least weekly, on my stretch of highway)

Post by slg » Fri, Jun 08, 2018, 2:59 AM UTC

darkerside wrote: post #282

omgwtfbyobbq wrote: post #214

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>Cars have been dependent on software for a long time (literally decades). This isn't something new. Even combustion engine cars have had software inside of them that controls the operation of the engine, and this software is vigorously tested for safety issues (because most car manufacturers understand a fault with such software could result in someone's death). Tesla seems to be the only major car manufacturer that…

This comparison just sold me on how morally wrong it is what Tesla is doing. Intentionally misleading and marketing to customers a feature called Autopilot that is only a marginal improvement on what other cars already offer. What if Volvo started calling their (clearly not independent) feature Autopilot and saying it was the future of hands-free driving? Seems inexcusable.