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Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Socialism might seem pretty cool for someone willing to ignore the last 100 years of humanity's experience with it.

Socialism together with some capitalism is really the way to go. Having one of them totally uncontrolled to an extreme level is what leads to problems.

Just look at the outlook people had in the Soviet era. It's really not that better than what capitalism gives you.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Did they correct for any confounding variables? Old people are more likely to kill themselves and US has an aging population. Edit: Also, old people in the USA are more likely to be white.

I don't have time to follow the links and dig into the data quality but a recent SSC post[0] claims "Blacks and Hispanics have only about half the suicide rate of whites", which seems pretty strong to be accounted for by average age differences. [0] http://slatestarcodex.com/2018/05/31/in-search-of-missing-us...

According to https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/ younger Hispanic people are much more likely than young white people.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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If there's ever a reminder to be kind to others and to talk to people who might need help, this is it.

Amen, and thank you for saying this. Simply being kind and smiling can be one of the most powerful things you can do. The kindness of a stranger, even just an anonymous name on the internet, can literally save lives.

I agree! I'm generally a pretty upbeat person but seeing people smile is still uplifting. I have kinda a naturally scowly face but I try to smile when I'm outdoors and its occasionally contageous.

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The article avoids pointing out the obvious, but the map makes it clear this rise is predominantly among white Americans.

I don't think you can infer that from a map, but my recollection is that I have read exactly that. Older white men were also the ones who, in the aggregate, took the biggest hit to their careers and incomes in the recent recession. The recovery has seen a lot of hiring, but wages are "sluggish." Given that men often literally can't even get laid if their income is too low, I can well see that taking its toll on someone and them deciding to just throw in the towel.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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The article avoids pointing out the obvious, but the map makes it clear this rise is predominantly among white Americans.

This isn't exactly the best time to be a white male. There is a lot of hatred, both institutional and cultural, directed their way.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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First, one would establish that there is actually a correlation. If so, then is there a causation? (eg, does being in a red state make one suicidal, or does being suicidal affect one's political views) That seems a bit of a stretch. But if a causation CAN be established, then is there anything that can be done to help people?

You forgot the third option: are both caused by a third independent variable. For instance, economic situation could influence both political views and mental health.

Another possible correlation is aging populations. Among males at least, suicide is highest among males over 65. (https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide.shtml) The "hypothesis" might be that lack of access to good health care among this group (either due to location -- rural health care is not in the best of shape right now from what I can tell (https://news.aamc.org/patient-care/article/health-disparitie...) -- or economics) might enhance suicide risk.

Access to firearms could be another correlation. Firearms are the leading method of suicide in the United States. The consensus opinion I've heard is that firearms are a lot easier to make an attempted suicide an actual suicide than most other methods.

All of these are hypothesis; I doubt we can come to real good conclusions without better data than these summary pages.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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THIS IS NOT a politically motivated post. Compare the map in TFA with this map, which I trivially Googled: http://news.gallup.com/poll/203117/gop-maintains-edge-state-... It's not a perfect correlation, but to my untrained eye, looking at both maps, it seems to me that red (eg, Republican) states appear to correlate closely with higher suicide states. But please judge and compare the maps for yourself and form your o…

Basically unless you are toeing the line on liberal issues you are non-desired - especially online. So if you are a republican, or while, or a male, then you better not go online - and certainly stay away from cities.

Opioid use are highest among rural, white women IIRC.

https://wire.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/women-bear-greater...

Assuming "Opioid use" is the indicator of "negative emotions" of some kind, then the statistics at least indicate that we need to be focusing on white, rural women's issues primarily.

With that being said, there's clearly something wrong going on in rural America, at least if Opioid abuse and suicide rates are anything to go by. Just the stats.

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I hate to blame a complex issue like suicide on drugs. There's more to any particular case than just drug use. But with so many Opioid deaths in rural white America (especially women), I think this is a statistic that needs to be better known.

Note: It might be cultural (over-prescription by rural doctors), and not necessarily related to politics. But its certainly an issue that needs to be focused on.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Just an interesting observation: People with known mental health conditions are twice as likely to poison themselves in a suicide than those without known mental health conditions.

Firearms are more popular with men and poison is more popular with women. (edit: source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide#...) The charts in the article show that women who commit suicide are more likely to have a known mental health condition than men, so that could explain the correlation.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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"Hey kid: did you know that your very being is offensive and actually downright violent towards me and there is nothing you can do about it because it literally has to do with a fundamental aspect of who you are." Absolutely shocking that suicide is up.

Yeah strawmen suck

Says someone who must not have ever been bullied and told your very existence is offensive. You might as well not exist. Etc.

Being told that, repeatedly, by multiple people, at an impressionable age, might lead someone to commit suicide.

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