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Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by toomuchtodo »

megaman22 wrote: post #49
toomuchtodo wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clustered in the central US states, primarily due to relationship issues.

It's not really surprising that middle-aged men who have been raked over the coals in a divorce and left with a hole they'll never get out of, would opt for an end to the pain.

Agreed. Divorce is one of the most financially devastating events that can happen in one’s life. The longer I’m alive, the longer I recommend to people to never get married. Live together, but keep your finances separate (does not apply in community property states; watch out!).

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by o203909kd »

minikites wrote: post #35

Reducing firearm ownership would reduce suicides: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/wonkblog/su... The common response is that "people will just find another way" but that's not supported by evidence. >“Anything that builds in delay is working in your favor because that fever-pitch time when you’re actually willing to swallow the poison or pull the trigger is often fairly narrow,” said Cathy Barber, wh…

I am a psychologist and to be honest, I think focusing on methods is well-intended but misguided because it leaves the pain but takes away the mechanism.

I'm not convinced that even eliminating firearms completely would reduce suicide rates as much as some think because people would find another means. Even the linked piece states "nobody knows what would happen if firearm availability in the US resembled levels of other developed countries." In countries where firearms aren't as available, other methods are more prevalent. I also think there's a lot of differences between the US and other developed countries along a lot of dimensions other than firearm use.

Even if it did reduce suicides, though, what does that leave people with? It's akin to saying "we're going to take away this only out for your pain without addressing your problems."

Sure, keeping them alive long enough might allow you to intervene and reduce their pain, but the fact that they are driven to suicide to begin with suggests something failed earlier along the chain.

What we want are people who don't feel driven to suicide, not people who are unable to commit suicide.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by [deleted] »

DannyB2 wrote: post #10

THIS IS NOT a politically motivated post. Compare the map in TFA with this map, which I trivially Googled: http://news.gallup.com/poll/203117/gop-maintains-edge-state-... It's not a perfect correlation, but to my untrained eye, looking at both maps, it seems to me that red (eg, Republican) states appear to correlate closely with higher suicide states. But please judge and compare the maps for yourself and form your o…

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Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by TooBrokeToBeg »

babkayaga wrote: post #62
stnmtn wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try reading Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher, from what you just said it sounds like you might really like it. He covers a lot of the themes you're talking about in a really approachable way As for what other conception of states can exist, socialism is pretty cool I think

Socialism might seem pretty cool for someone willing to ignore the last 100 years of humanity's experience with it.

Socialism doesn't have to be more than a principle. In fact, every capitalistic system has it in some form. So I think your point is dully contrarian.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by DoreenMichele »

test6554 wrote: post #25

Without encouraging or condoning this type of behavior, I really wish people had a chance to conduct an exit interview from life. Only after the decision was solidified and all other methods of outreach had failed. The data would be remarkable and might save many lives. World: We're sorry to see you go. Please let us know why you are leaving, and what we could to do make this a better place to live in the future. Tha…

I have attempted suicide. I am frequently suicidal. I don't hesitate to comment on it in forums. I sometimes blog about it.

Most people genuinely aren't interested in understanding it. If they understood, they might feel compelled to treat other people better and that isn't on their agenda in most cases, basically.

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Post by munk-a »

babkayaga wrote: post #62
stnmtn wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try reading Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher, from what you just said it sounds like you might really like it. He covers a lot of the themes you're talking about in a really approachable way As for what other conception of states can exist, socialism is pretty cool I think

Socialism might seem pretty cool for someone willing to ignore the last 100 years of humanity's experience with it.

Sorry, are you referring to the dictatorial planned economies of the soviet union?

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by DannyB2 »

pitaj wrote: post #45
DannyB2 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, one would establish that there is actually a correlation. If so, then is there a causation? (eg, does being in a red state make one suicidal, or does being suicidal affect one's political views) That seems a bit of a stretch. But if a causation CAN be established, then is there anything that can be done to help people?

You forgot the third option: are both caused by a third independent variable. For instance, economic situation could influence both political views and mental health.

That is true.

There could be even other causes. Living in an area with less dense population affects one's outlook in various ways.

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Post by slg »

blhack wrote: post #9

"Hey kid: did you know that your very being is offensive and actually downright violent towards me and there is nothing you can do about it because it literally has to do with a fundamental aspect of who you are." Absolutely shocking that suicide is up.

I like this statement because its vagueness has apparently allowed people with diametrically opposed viewpoints to both view themselves as the victim and the other as the perpetrator. I am not sure how to fix that, but it certainly seems like everyone is feeling persecuted regardless of any objective reality and that can't be good for us.

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Post by wtetzner »

ManFromUranus wrote: post #67
advisedwang wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The map absolutely does not make that clear. It could equally be the case that minorities are dying by suicide more in communities where they are totally engulfed by white folks (or folks of any other characteristic that matches the map distribution).

"where they are totally engulfed by white folks" Too bad they were forced there at gunpoint and not allowed to leave... when will white people learn to stop forcing people into their country, then when they ask to leave, building a wall to keep them in.

You're kidding, right? Many people were forced into the US, and not allowed to leave. The descendants of those people are natural-born citizens. It's their country too.

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Post by freedomben »

bifrost wrote: post #53

If there's ever a reminder to be kind to others and to talk to people who might need help, this is it.

Amen, and thank you for saying this. Simply being kind and smiling can be one of the most powerful things you can do. The kindness of a stranger, even just an anonymous name on the internet, can literally save lives.
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