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I’m Nat Friedman, Future CEO of GitHub. AMA

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Re: I’m Nat Friedman, Future CEO of GitHub. AMA

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What would you rather fight - a horse sized duck, or 100 duck sized horses? Hope he answers that one.

I really dislike this kind of questions. "A little fun doesn't hurt" Reddit and the internet has a lot of fun things to do. Don't waste the opportunity of someone important willing to spend what little 30 mins they have in their schedule to take questions from the community and these questions come up - there are important things to ask. Absolutely useless question and should not be asked.

Re: I’m Nat Friedman, Future CEO of GitHub. AMA

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Microsoft should just make Github open source. It would be a great PR move and an amazing build of trust. I don't know why Github was not open source to begin with. Why do companies still think source code is a big deal? This is not Google Search or some advanced AI.

Great PR move? Amazing build of trust? Microsoft bought GitHub for over seven billion dollars. You don't buy something for that kind of cash unless it has that kind of value . Saying they 'should' do something as though there is a problem is silly. Engineers here on HN are so quick to say what someone "needs to do" something... but in response to what? What problem are you identifying? A vocal minority of engineers h…

1. They have great competition in Gitlab. Gitlab's main point is it's open source.

They simply will be more competitive.

2. They want to improve their "Open Source Friendly" image and they've been taking meaningful steps towards it.

3. Why not? What's the downside of doing so?

Re: I’m Nat Friedman, Future CEO of GitHub. AMA

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post #11

> That said, the GitHub team reports that the set of users who have migrated or closed their accounts is extremely small, and this is more than made up for by the surge of new signups and new interest in GitHub this week. It's interesting to hear this. If you were on HN the past week, it might have seemed from all the front page articles that GitHub was about to implode due to an an exodus to GitLab.

Interesting, and also...a lie? Or he thinks the 250,000 projects migrated to gitlab within 24 hours of the news that Microsoft was going anywhere near GitHub is a small number.

Re: I’m Nat Friedman, Future CEO of GitHub. AMA

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post #20

"Developers are independent thinkers..." He seems to be playing the typical corporate lackey role. His comments are all full of condescension, platitudes, and corpspeak. He sounds more like a PR person than a principled leader. He's saying exactly what he thinks his audience wants to hear. It's not surprising that he thrived as a Microsoft exec. That he's willing to make promises about GitHub's future is also telling…

Your comment is a significant misreading of his current statements as well as where he's come from. Yes, he's very skilled in the corporate world, but he's just as skilled in the open source world. You absolutely need to be awesome at both to be able to do the right thing as the CEO of GitHub. Check out his history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Friedman

Re: I’m Nat Friedman, Future CEO of GitHub. AMA

#35

Microsoft should just make Github open source. It would be a great PR move and an amazing build of trust. I don't know why Github was not open source to begin with. Why do companies still think source code is a big deal? This is not Google Search or some advanced AI.

Please rethink the value of from PR vs. $7.5 billion dollars they paid in the acquisition.

Re: I’m Nat Friedman, Future CEO of GitHub. AMA

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I asked: What are your thoughts on how GitHub can incentivize open source work financially? Perhaps by integrating something like Patreon or OpenCollective in the website. It seems that he won't answer it. Still would be awesome if GitHub started addressing this in some way in the future. EDIT: He answered it. https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/8pc8mf/im_nat_friedman...

There's a reason it's AMA and not IAA (I answer anything). Most AMAs like this one are PR stunts, where the "what's your favorite ___" are answered while the tough, controversial qeustions are ignored.

Well, we now know Nat Friedman's favorite cheese. :-)

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/8pc8mf/im_nat_friedman...

Re: I’m Nat Friedman, Future CEO of GitHub. AMA

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post #6

Nat is being really smart here. It should not backfire unless he acts pedantic or insults Redditors intelligence. I think that both are unlikely. Maybe Nat is trying to counteract any PR damage to GitHub, or maybe he just wants to see how much can skyrocket his account's karma. If I was in his situation I will be happy doing it for both reasons.

Are you suggesting that Reddit, or HN, have had an intelligent discussion about the GH acquisition at any point this week?

Re: I’m Nat Friedman, Future CEO of GitHub. AMA

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people mirrored instead of closing. Spin.

>I think most people Based on... what exactly? That's a big claim to make without any data.

Key word being "think". OP is saying his personal biased opinion.

Re: I’m Nat Friedman, Future CEO of GitHub. AMA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great PR move? Amazing build of trust? Microsoft bought GitHub for over seven billion dollars. You don't buy something for that kind of cash unless it has that kind of value . Saying they 'should' do something as though there is a problem is silly. Engineers here on HN are so quick to say what someone "needs to do" something... but in response to what? What problem are you identifying? A vocal minority of engineers h…

1. They have great competition in Gitlab. Gitlab's main point is it's open source. They simply will be more competitive. 2. They want to improve their "Open Source Friendly" image and they've been taking meaningful steps towards it. 3. Why not? What's the downside of doing so?

Apple has great competition in Android, however it would be silly to open source iOS. GitLab/Android are customizable and have a ton of features, while GitHub/iOS are more cohesive. Differentiation is how competition exists.

Even if you prefer Android/GitLab, you can't deny that most of the early innovation was copied from iOS/GitHub. In fact, most open source projects (Linux, Firefox, OpenOffice, etc) take their lead from closed source competition... and for all those examples, that competition was Microsoft. That's not to say they can't eventually innovate, however much of the R&D, creation of a marketing, etc come from closed source.

The downside of Open Sourcing so is losing billions of dollars from companies who say "rather than paying $10k/mo, I'm going to just fork it for free".

Lastly, part of the value of GitHub is the network effects. If everyone's hosting it on their own, then there's no network effect.

Re: I’m Nat Friedman, Future CEO of GitHub. AMA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m more willing to believe the openly viewable GitLab migration tracker, which shows several thousand projects migrated. Just another way Gitlab is nice is the openly viewable statistics versus a generalization. https://about.gitlab.com/2018/06/03/movingtogitlab/

a few hundred thousand repositories of the 85 million reported Github repositories is really not much, see https://github.com/ten at the bottom for the number.

of those 85 million how many are actually active and not just placeholder empty repos or automated mirrors for wordpress/jquery plugins? Not on anyones side here but if the top 250k repos switched, that would be really bad news. I think it's more important to compare size and popularity of the repos than just what the % is.
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