NTSB: Autopilot steered Tesla car toward traffic barrier before deadly crash

Post by txcwpalpha » Thu, Jun 07, 2018, 6:37 PM UTC

slg wrote: post #168

txcwpalpha wrote: post #161

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And yet again, the same OTA update changed other parameters about the way the car drives that do make it less safe. I don't know why you're trying to ignore that fact. If I drastically improve the braking distance of a car, but in the same update I also make it so that the car crashes itself into a wall and kills you, is the car safer? Hint: no As for your edit, you clearly misread the original comment, which is why…

I never denied that. Your comment pointed out a problem with OTA updates and I agreed calling it "a clear flaw". I pointed out a benefit of OTA updates then asked an open ended question about how they should be handled. You responded be attacking the example I provided. I was looking to debate this serious issue, not getting into a pissing match about it.

Post by dpcx » Thu, Jun 07, 2018, 6:43 PM UTC

ebikelaw wrote: post #16

MBCook wrote: post #3

“[Driver’s] hands were not detected on the steering wheel for the final six seconds prior to the crash. Tesla has said that Huang received warnings to put his hands on the wheel, but according to the NTSB, these warnings came more than 15 minutes before the crash.” This kind of stuff is why I’ve lost all faith in Tesla’s public statements. What they said here was, for all intents and purposes, a flat out lie. Clearly…

Musk prefers to lie to the public and benefits from the disintermediation of the media that various Internet distribution channels have allowed. Tesla often makes clearly false statements. SpaceX, when part of their heavy lift rocket crashed into the ocean, cut away from that scene to a shot of two happy smiling spokesmodels pretending to not know what had happened. Today what we need more than we ever needed it is s…

Post by JackCh » Thu, Jun 07, 2018, 6:50 PM UTC

TheLoneAdmin wrote: post #83

Animats wrote: post #42

NTSB: • At 8 seconds prior to the crash, the Tesla was following a lead vehicle and was traveling about 65 mph. • At 7 seconds prior to the crash, the Tesla began a left steering movement while following a lead vehicle. • At 4 seconds prior to the crash, the Tesla was no longer following a lead vehicle. • At 3 seconds prior to the crash and up to the time of impact with the crash attenuator, the Tesla’s speed increas…

Makes me wonder about the future of self-driving cars. I would think that the first thing that should be programmed in is to not run into objects that are not moving. IMO, maybe the roads need to be certified for self-driving. Dangerous areas would be properly painted to prevent recognition errors. Every self-driving system would need to query some database to see if a road is certified. If not, the self-driving syst…

Post by d0lph » Thu, Jun 07, 2018, 6:52 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #85

d0lph wrote: post #65

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Or perhaps us fingers-in-ears Musk fans don't expect the AP to be perfect. Especially considering how new the fields are. Autopilot doesn't need to be perfect, just better than humans.

I think the issue is, if you read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17256900 is that Autopilot is not better than humans.

Post by wilun » Thu, Jun 07, 2018, 6:53 PM UTC

jungturk wrote: post #64

beenBoutIT wrote: post #38

Anyone here actually think Elon uses autopilot?

Not sure about Elon, but I suspect (hope?) most of us Tesla drivers have familiarized themselves with the limitations of the system. Its got a couple scenarios in my experience where it shines - chiefly long drives on clean clear interstates and stop-and-go traffic - but its got suicidal tendencies in others. Its not unlike being driven by a tipsy friend or a teenager - there are enough indications that it can't be t…