Microsoft kills everything it touches. Look at Skype.
LinkedIn stayed pretty much the same.
Exactly.
GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button
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#212With there being so much talk how Microsoft is reformed/reforming, I do not really see the change at all. Microsoft always was about developers and getting them into their ecosystem and I do not think this is evil. It's business. People act like the Open Source strategy is so much different from the Ballmer days but is it really? From a business perspective they tried to throw rocks into the paths of Open Source as a…
I feel we're focusing way too much on this good vs evil debate. Life doesn't work like that, there's always shades of grey. Everyone has their interests.
So, based on this underlying assumption, what does Microsoft by gaining by using this kill switch? Heck, what does it even gain by appearing to threaten people with this kill switch? It's worse that no benefit, it's actively harmful for them.
So, why are we discussing about them this way? They're not irrational.
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
>what are developers going to do when Google inevitably acquires GitLab? Fork it and move on with their day.
Not all of GitLab is open source, you know that, right?
That's a valid argument against GitHub, since they open source a ton of code, but you can't run GitHub yourself.
That's not a valid argument against GitLab, which offers you the option to host it yourself, and then builds features on top of the free version.
While GitLab EE isn't released using an open source license, its source is publicly available and you're allowed to make modifications to it, satisfying 2/4 essential freedoms of free software, as defined by FSF[0]: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ee/
[0] Open Source Initiative's definition contains 10 rights, I'm too lazy to memorize them.
Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button
#214The best case for GitHub would've been for Redhat to acquire them :-( Just feeling sad for what has happened. Microsoft is in it for business. Talking about "change of heart" for a company is bullshit. It's all associated with the business model one way or the other. RedHat would've been the best model. Imagine. Buying GH, open sourcing it, selling a self-hosted version of it for paid support....
Redhat? Company that is currently infiltrating every Linux distro with systemd bloatware? No, thanks.
> Redhat? Company that is currently infiltrating every Linux distro with systemd bloatware? No, thanks.
Perspective is everything.
For me it's:
> Redhat? The company that managed to standardize the init system across distributions, thereby making it trivial to create robust system services for Linux?
Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button
#215The difference between "the old Microsoft" (monopolistic, openly insulting/abusive) and "the new Microsoft" is like the difference between colonialism and neocolonialism. - Colonialism consisted in annexing territory, forcing them to use your flag, sing your anthem, and work for you under penalty of violence. - Neocolonialism consists into forcibly indebt countries, so they direct all their productive efforts into pa…
Honest question: Is there any app from another Big 5 company that has a good Linux version? I'm especially interested in desktop apps.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oculus is vaporware, right? I don't see anything that encourages me that whatever thing they were aiming at will be a thing?
If I'm wrong, I'd like an example of something that justifies the hype
What have you tried so far? Doom VFR Edition? Skyrim VR? VR porn?
VR’s hype is easily justified.
Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button
#217This time may be different, but everyone needs to think about next time, too.
Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button
#218Microsoft can not buy goodwill with me, personally. I worked at the company and was privy to "strategic conversations" whereby they were looking to regain trust with developers to get them back from Android and Google to Windows stack. Microsoft practically forced us to use Windows stack for anything and everything, even when there were much better tools. Under Satya, it was better, but the emphasis is still very muc…
Microsoft practically forced us to use Windows stack for anything and everything This is called “dogfooding” and all companies should do it. How can you sell to customers or understand customers if you’re not using the product yourself? One day I’d love to visit SAP and see how they do their own vacations and expenses. It can’t be with their own software.
I work at SAP. I book absences via a web UI for a SAP system. I record my time using a very nice HTML5 UI that hooks into an SAP system via RPC. I record travel expenses in Concur (the company of the same name was acquired by SAP, so that counts as dogfooding too).
SAP still needs to get better at their dogfooding game in some areas (e.g. using our own ticket system products instead of internally-grown idiosyncrasies), but we're getting there.
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#219These threads are so funny — let me do a TL;DR: - " Microsoft does this and that " - " Oooo, that's not fair, Google has been doing it too " - " Patents " - " Oooo, that's not fair, Oracle has been doing it too " - " Privacy " - " Not fair, Facebook has been doing it too " Predictable arguments that for the purposes of judging Microsoft are irrelevant. Look, we all know that companies are meant to turn a profit. Peop…
So you mean there can be no redemption, ever? Kind of a harsh perspective... By this logic Germany, Italy and Japan should have been nuked forever.
Re: GitHub Is Microsoft’s $7.5B Undo Button
#220With there being so much talk how Microsoft is reformed/reforming, I do not really see the change at all. Microsoft always was about developers and getting them into their ecosystem and I do not think this is evil. It's business. People act like the Open Source strategy is so much different from the Ballmer days but is it really? From a business perspective they tried to throw rocks into the paths of Open Source as a…
I feel we're focusing way too much on this good vs evil debate. Life doesn't work like that, there's always shades of grey. Everyone has their interests. So, based on this underlying assumption, what does Microsoft by gaining by using this kill switch? Heck, what does it even gain by appearing to threaten people with this kill switch? It's worse that no benefit, it's actively harmful for them. So, why are we discussi…
I should probably added a few irony tags here, the "kill switch" picture was just meant to exaggerate what seems to be the primary concern going around.
So to add two things to clarify: personally I do not see any of this as good/evil. It's business.
But one catch: business is comprised of human beings, thus it often _is_ irrational :-)