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Rooftop solar power may be flooding the grid

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Re: Rooftop solar power may be flooding the grid

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"Monitor electricity 3600 times a second" in the video seem wrong, as AC is usually 50 to 60 HZ that would be measuring the consumption 60 to 72 times per period which does not really make sens. It's likely 3600/hour or 1/seconds. Immediately make me doubt the quality of the research. Edit: DC -> AC. was tired.

3600 times a second is reasonable if you want to calculate true RMS values at 50/60Hz. This is almost required as well as most inverter and supply waveforms are far from sinusoids.

Re: Rooftop solar power may be flooding the grid

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An interesting alternative to battery storage opened in the UK this week - liquified air energy storage. I wonder if this may be helpful. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/05/pioneering-...

>liquified air energy storage. I wonder if this may be helpful. Let me answer this: No, it would not be helpful, because on pretty much all metrics (capital and operating costs, efficiency, flexibility, size etc) this technology is way worse than battery storage. Unfortunately - today - a lot of money which could be sensibly used deploying cost effective technology such as solar and wind power (and to a lesser extent…

Horse stables were in their day a cost-effective solution to transportation, and those steam engines had no chance of ever moving a couple of meters on the rails...

Re: Rooftop solar power may be flooding the grid

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post #28
post #21

"Monitor electricity 3600 times a second" in the video seem wrong, as AC is usually 50 to 60 HZ that would be measuring the consumption 60 to 72 times per period which does not really make sens. It's likely 3600/hour or 1/seconds. Immediately make me doubt the quality of the research. Edit: DC -> AC. was tired.

> DC is usually 50 to 60 HZ Immediately make me doubt the quality of the comment

Sorry meant AC, got things mixed up in my head with solar beeing DC.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: "the growing peak demand that comes at the end of the day, as the sun sets.". So the solar production of electricity peaks earlier than the end-of-day consumption peak.

There is a company in Australia that have improved flow batteries technology to the point where it can be miniaturised down to the size of a fridge freezer (previously they were the size of shipping containers) ten shipping containers full of them are able to store 3.2 megawatt-hours of energy and discharge a megawatt of power for over three to four hours which is roughly enough to keep 500-600 average homes going fo…

I assume you are taking about red-flow?

I head about them several years ago but haven't seen much since. Do they have the scale/ pricing to sell to the average consumer yet?

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People finally starting to realise that energy systems and grids are more complex than just put a solar cell to your roof. There is minimum level of service has to be provided (even over night) and the balance of production and consumption has to be kept in balance otherwise very bad things happen.

Re: Rooftop solar power may be flooding the grid

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Renewable energy is quite predictable: there is sun during the day, and no sun during the night. Wind is a bit less but could be too.

Why not organise accordingly?

First, there are batteries: solar roofs should come with batteries, than will power the house during the night. Authorities could enforce that, and could also build larger energy storages with batteries at a region level (see recent examples from Tesla).

Then, this is mostly communication: why not make the grid and the roof "talk" to each other and the roof be turned off from the grid when there is no need for it? Is it because subsidies or some kind of mandatory buy from the grid that this could be an issue? otherwise there could be incentive to have this better integration with the whole system.

Otherwise, use bitcoin miners, during the day!

Re: Rooftop solar power may be flooding the grid

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post #21

"Monitor electricity 3600 times a second" in the video seem wrong, as AC is usually 50 to 60 HZ that would be measuring the consumption 60 to 72 times per period which does not really make sens. It's likely 3600/hour or 1/seconds. Immediately make me doubt the quality of the research. Edit: DC -> AC. was tired.

*AC is 50 to 60Hz (DC does not alternate). Also I can see how it's possible that electrical fluctuations could happen at a higher rate than the utility frequency. 3600 Hz does seem like a lot though.

Oops. Fixed AC/DC. I know better. 3600Hz seem also quite a weird number while 3600 time an hour ends up being exactly once a second.

Re: Rooftop solar power may be flooding the grid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solar isn't the problem, but the renewables situation is related. We had a Labor government with the Greens holding a balance of power from ~2010 to ~2013. The Labor party had, I believe, been opposed to a carbon tax up until that point. Then, likely because of pressure from the Greens, introduced a carbon tax. The lesson there will not have been lost on big investors. If anyone invests in fossil fuel generation (ie,…

Following your reasonning, there is no reason why investors should shy away from renewables. The Greens would not harm any project of additional large scale batteries, for example.

Yes but the Coalition will because solar gives you cancer.
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