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Re: Apple posts profit of $1.05B, ships nearly 2.3 million Macs

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Post by LPTS » Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 3:38 AM UTC

Alex3917 wrote: post #10

Cramer's analysis of how kids view macs these days is amazing: http://www.thestreet.com/video/10413205/index.html?puc=jjcho... "[PCs] are not computers. Those are things that parents use. They are not computers. They are these devices that parents got because maybe they got talked into it or because they didn't understand what was cool, but they are not computers. A computer is a mac. Like an iPod is your music devic…

That's a great quote.

In the same vein, I've been saying lately that people who think the iPhone is just one phone among many are just like people who thought the a computer was just another typewriter.

Ohh, wow. I just said something by Jim "Bear Sterns is fine" Cramer was great. A broken clock and all that.

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 6:22 AM UTC

aston wrote: post #19

xlnt wrote: post #17

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umm, i gave a reason that email setup would be relevant to os (i.e., in a vista criticism). i did not say "omg mac is so much better than linux".

It wasn't clear whether you were criticizing Vista or responding to my claim that the goodness of default email clients was irrelevant to the evaluation of the OS. These OS war threads are always overheated and people basically read what they want to read into your comments. Sorry for misunderstanding. I'm pretty done with this. edit: I will say, though, the post re:linux also could be understood to point out the wea…

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Re: Apple posts profit of $1.05B, ships nearly 2.3 million Macs

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Post by axod » Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 9:04 AM UTC

LPTS wrote: post #21

Alex3917 wrote: post #10

Cramer's analysis of how kids view macs these days is amazing: http://www.thestreet.com/video/10413205/index.html?puc=jjcho... "[PCs] are not computers. Those are things that parents use. They are not computers. They are these devices that parents got because maybe they got talked into it or because they didn't understand what was cool, but they are not computers. A computer is a mac. Like an iPod is your music devic…

That's a great quote. In the same vein, I've been saying lately that people who think the iPhone is just one phone among many are just like people who thought the a computer was just another typewriter. Ohh, wow. I just said something by Jim "Bear Sterns is fine" Cramer was great. A broken clock and all that.

"people who think the iPhone is just one phone among many"

The funny thing is, I use my iPhone maybe 5% to make voice calls. For me it's an ultra-portable PC, mainly used for email+web. So when people do say things like "It's just a phone", they really do completely miss the point.

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Post by gpurrenhage » Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 10:51 AM UTC

databus wrote: post #12

This works out to be around 3.5% of world wide pc unit shipments for '08.

The article is talking about one quarter, not all of '08. Source?

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Post by mrtron » Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 2:27 PM UTC

axod wrote: post #23

LPTS wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a great quote. In the same vein, I've been saying lately that people who think the iPhone is just one phone among many are just like people who thought the a computer was just another typewriter. Ohh, wow. I just said something by Jim "Bear Sterns is fine" Cramer was great. A broken clock and all that.

"people who think the iPhone is just one phone among many" The funny thing is, I use my iPhone maybe 5% to make voice calls. For me it's an ultra-portable PC, mainly used for email+web. So when people do say things like "It's just a phone", they really do completely miss the point.

Everyone that has held and used my iPhone has desired to purchase one. Several have, and it's not even available in Canada.

Why would you buy another mp3 player other than an iPod? Why would you buy another phone other than an iPhone? To think 5 years ago I was an Apple hater...they have really stepped up their game.

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Post by mrtron » Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 2:32 PM UTC

aston wrote: post #6

groovyone wrote: post #2

Franky I can see why. I used Vista for the very first time today at a clients. All I was trying to do was set up some email accounts and I realised that Microsoft had gone crazy during the years of development. I moved from Windows to Mac (and Linux) and don't regret it one bit. Now I've seen Vista I wonder how a company of that size can get something so wrong

Vista hate is amazing lately. What does setting up email accounts have to do with the underlying OS, again?

A friend of mine just emailed 3 of her friends saying:

"I just bought a new BlackBerry, it requires Outlook, how do I get it on my computer with Vista"

For her it turned into a 5 hour process to install an email client built by the same company. I would say this has a great deal to do with the usability of the underlying OS.

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Post by bk » Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 3:06 PM UTC

mrtron wrote: post #25

axod wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"people who think the iPhone is just one phone among many" The funny thing is, I use my iPhone maybe 5% to make voice calls. For me it's an ultra-portable PC, mainly used for email+web. So when people do say things like "It's just a phone", they really do completely miss the point.

Everyone that has held and used my iPhone has desired to purchase one. Several have, and it's not even available in Canada. Why would you buy another mp3 player other than an iPod? Why would you buy another phone other than an iPhone? To think 5 years ago I was an Apple hater...they have really stepped up their game.

mp3 player: swappable memory cards/batteries, voice recording, radio reception, lower price, songs aren't "hidden"

iphone: never used one, possibly something with a keyboard. keyboard typing > touch screen typing > keypad typing

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Post by gruseom » Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 3:29 PM UTC

angstrom wrote: post #11

gruseom wrote: post #8

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Now I've seen Vista I wonder how a company of that size can get something so wrong I have a theory about this: it's the inevitable outcome of Microsoft's technical culture. Their culture - across many products and many years [1] - has been one of making complicated things more complicated. What happened with Vista was that, responding to criticism about security flaws, they set about addressing the problem in their s…

Their culture - across many products and many years - has been one of making complicated things more complicated. That's just the side effect of the backwards compatibility which proved so successful throughout the 90s, not as a design or marketing goal I assure you. There's a limit to how backward compatible you can be without stepping on the feet of the applications that came before while still pushing innovative n…

That's just the side effect of the backwards compatibility

I don't think this can be true, because the same culture is evident in their new technologies as in their upgrades. As I said, look at any issue of MSDN Magazine.

Re: Apple posts profit of $1.05B, ships nearly 2.3 million Macs

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Post by mrtron » Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 3:51 PM UTC

bk wrote: post #27

mrtron wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone that has held and used my iPhone has desired to purchase one. Several have, and it's not even available in Canada. Why would you buy another mp3 player other than an iPod? Why would you buy another phone other than an iPhone? To think 5 years ago I was an Apple hater...they have really stepped up their game.

mp3 player: swappable memory cards/batteries, voice recording, radio reception, lower price, songs aren't "hidden" iphone: never used one, possibly something with a keyboard. keyboard typing > touch screen typing > keypad typing

I have a few friends that work as product managers at RIM, I have used practically every device they have made with a zillion types of keyboards and keypads.

I can type way faster on my iPhone, but I do have to look at it to type. They can type on BB's without looking. The auto-correction on the iPhone is amazing...it takes into account my fat fingers.

Who wants swappable memory cards, or batteries? I have voice recording on my iPhone. Radio reception might be nice but there are some external addons for ipods.

I guess it depends a lot on the individual user, but Apple products work well for the masses.

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Post by axod » Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 5:10 PM UTC

bk wrote: post #27

mrtron wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone that has held and used my iPhone has desired to purchase one. Several have, and it's not even available in Canada. Why would you buy another mp3 player other than an iPod? Why would you buy another phone other than an iPhone? To think 5 years ago I was an Apple hater...they have really stepped up their game.

mp3 player: swappable memory cards/batteries, voice recording, radio reception, lower price, songs aren't "hidden" iphone: never used one, possibly something with a keyboard. keyboard typing > touch screen typing > keypad typing

Wrong. It's easy to think that keyboard typing would be better than touch screen typing, but try an iPhone. It's actually better than a small keyboard would be. It's not that much slower than typing on a laptop keyboard.