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Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by draw_down »

sebringj wrote: post #30

Why I admire Ryan is "I shouldn't just complain without giving a solution..." and he gave a solution, more than once. I have done this on a no-one-cares scale but it really is better to do yourself when you can. Also, Ryan has some sharp sarcastic wit which is pretty fun to watch on this talk.

I thought that was nice too, but I wish we as an industry placed a little more value on simply admitting that something is bad or suboptimal. You're not supposed to "complain" or "be negative", which I think is unfortunate in lots of ways.

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by pjmlp »

pvsukale3 wrote: post #60

Can anyone explain why he called Dart a complete failure? https://youtu.be/M3BM9TB-8yA?t=19m55s ps: I am a junior developer. I am taking up Dart to learn Mobile apps development using Flutter.

Dart was supposed to replace JavaScript and was head-to-head with Typescript, CoffeScript and many others in that goal.

Obviously it failed at that as was rescued by the Google AdWords team that adopted it.

Now they are trying the 2nd coming of Dart via Flutter, it remains to be seen if it will ever take off, or how much Google is committed to release an productive version of Fuchsia.

Personally I am not bothering with it, until I see Flutter listed here https://developer.android.com/guide/components/fundamentals

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by k__ »

azylman wrote: post #95

It's interesting to hear him say that npm and node_modules are regrets since lots of complaints about Go packaging from people new to Go ask for something similar...

I think the package system consists of many parts.

Some parts of npm are much better than with most package systems, some really suck.

Maybe if npm weren't included so deeply into Node, it would make something like Yarn emerge sooner and replace npm without much hassle.

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Post by tlrobinson »

I'm glad to hear he (and the Node community in general) has come back around to promises.

I remember the very early version of Node.js that had them (looks like they were added in v0.1.0 and removed in v0.1.30), although they weren't true chainable promises we have now.

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by tlrobinson »

spankalee wrote: post #97
Guillaume86 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He looked pretty ok with async/await (which uses Promises under the hood), one of the advertised features of his new project is top level await.

Which is unfortunate. Top-level await is a very bad footgun and should almost never be used.

Can you elaborate? It seems useful for simple scripts and REPLs, at least.

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by dgreensp »

iamleppert wrote: post #78

He talks about not to add in features you think would be “cute” because they are always a mistake.. Then a few minutes later says “I thought being able to specify URLs in import statements would be cute..” Uhh...Houston, we have a problem with this one.

Haha! Ryan may not have been the best person to design a novel package manager, and while he has some insight into his mistakes the first time around, he still may not be. Neither am I; call me if you need a compiler or a GUI. Everybody has a different set of areas where they have gone deep and developed good instincts.

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by tnolet »

Having worked with Maven, Gradle, Ruby Gems, Pip and the non-existing Go package management I must say I actually really like the Node / NPM combo. I guess artists are their own worst critics.

edit: forgot Scala's SBT, admittedly a builder using Maven repo's but still an excellent example of how bad UX in this area can get.

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