Things I Regret About Node.js [video] • Hacker News Board

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by modzu » Wed, Jun 06, 2018, 3:07 PM UTC

bshimmin wrote: post #7

modzu wrote: post #5

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can somebody downvoting the comment above kindly explain why?

One-line jokes are generally not well-received on HN unless they are so exceptionally amusing and original that they are beyond reproach. The standard rationale for this - which can make HN seem very dry and humourless at times - is that people want to avoid HN becoming like Reddit.

thanks for answering. but thanks to the parent comment i learned about a new (albiet widely recognized) author. thats useful because we all come to hn to learn things. i suspect most downvoters probably dont even understand the reference and just see a joke qua joke. boo.

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by whatsstolat » Wed, Jun 06, 2018, 3:13 PM UTC

modzu wrote: post #11

bshimmin wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One-line jokes are generally not well-received on HN unless they are so exceptionally amusing and original that they are beyond reproach. The standard rationale for this - which can make HN seem very dry and humourless at times - is that people want to avoid HN becoming like Reddit.

thanks for answering. but thanks to the parent comment i learned about a new (albiet widely recognized) author. thats useful because we all come to hn to learn things. i suspect most downvoters probably dont even understand the reference and just see a joke qua joke. boo.

Interesting its strange to hear that someone hasn't heard of Roald but that's a generational and nationality bias.

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by misiti3780 » Wed, Jun 06, 2018, 3:14 PM UTC

i have always really enjoyed listen to ryan speak. he seems very humble for all of his accomplishments.

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by chris_wot » Wed, Jun 06, 2018, 3:19 PM UTC

modzu wrote: post #11

bshimmin wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One-line jokes are generally not well-received on HN unless they are so exceptionally amusing and original that they are beyond reproach. The standard rationale for this - which can make HN seem very dry and humourless at times - is that people want to avoid HN becoming like Reddit.

thanks for answering. but thanks to the parent comment i learned about a new (albiet widely recognized) author. thats useful because we all come to hn to learn things. i suspect most downvoters probably dont even understand the reference and just see a joke qua joke. boo.

Well, don't feel you can't read his children's books. They are incredibly entertaining. Try reading The Twits without laughing... very difficult!

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by StreamBright » Wed, Jun 06, 2018, 3:19 PM UTC

Maybe it is just me but Javascript is not my favourite dynamic language. Given project like ReasonML and other languages that have type inference prototyping is not harder than without types. Is it a valid argument that it slows you down? Not sure.

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by k__ » Wed, Jun 06, 2018, 3:19 PM UTC

misiti3780 wrote: post #13

i have always really enjoyed listen to ryan speak. he seems very humble for all of his accomplishments.

Yes. He seems like he doesn't care much about the success of Node.js.

It was just a cool project and he moved on to the next cool thing.

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by k__ » Wed, Jun 06, 2018, 3:21 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #6

TL;DR, from quickly browsing through it: He mostly regrets the way Promises work (edit: that the async programming APIs don't work with them), security/sandboxing, and the module system. Then he introduces "Deno", a successor which is under construction and which will fix all these problems. It exposes a language based on TypeScript. Internally, some parts of Deno are written in GoLang.

He regrets not including promises early on.

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by wolfgke » Wed, Jun 06, 2018, 3:22 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #8

genjipress wrote: post #3

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"Things I Regret About Java," By Roald Dahl, author of "Charlie And The Class Factory"

"Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Factory"

Rather: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Visitor.

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by jaequery » Wed, Jun 06, 2018, 3:23 PM UTC

much respect to ryan for coming out like this. i used to think that he might have thought node was the bee’s knees and that callbacks and promises were sent from the gods. glad to hear him confirm what a lot of js devs are feeling right now with the wretchedness of the js callbacks, promises, and generators. there is a better way and im glad he is trying to do something about it.

Re: Things I Regret About Node.js [video]

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Post by k__ » Wed, Jun 06, 2018, 3:24 PM UTC

StreamBright wrote: post #15

Maybe it is just me but Javascript is not my favourite dynamic language. Given project like ReasonML and other languages that have type inference prototyping is not harder than without types. Is it a valid argument that it slows you down? Not sure.

Seems like he prefers TypeScript because it's a super set of JavaScript.

He also mentions he only knew MS made it, but not who specifically, which lets his choice sound more profound.