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Microsoft has sunk a data centre in the sea to investigate energy efficiency

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I think we should spend more "energy" on reducing the heat in the datacenter and solve the problem for everyone. Cooling the datacenter in the sea seems like a hacky (though creative) solution.

Laser based cooling systems is where we should put our focus.

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> There has been growing concern that the rapid expansion of the data centre industry could mean an explosion in energy use. But Emma Fryer, who represents the sector at Tech UK, says that fear has been exaggerated. If we're concerned about the technology industry vastly increasing energy consumption, lets look at the entire medium sized country's worth of energy bitcoin is consuming for absolutely useless calculatio…

Naturally scarce stores of value like Bitcoin, gold, diamonds, etc. have always "wasted" resources, whether they be power, human resource, or polluting the environment. On one hand you could regard them as immoral because of this, on the other hand they enable the freedom to store value without trust.

At this point, we know that Bitcoin doesn't scale to handle the volume of transactions needed for a global digital currency. Ultimately, if you own Bitcoin in hopes of the value going up, it will only go up if someone is willing to pay more for it. There's no other utilitarian use of it.

This means that Bitcoin is a 0-sum game*, and a tremendous waste of resources. At least with gold mining we end up with a material that has important industrial use.

0-sum game: Meaning, in order for someone to profit with Bitcoin, someone has to take a loss.

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They're all arbitrary stores of value whos intrinsic value is not justified by the market price?

Only Bitcoin requires the continuous consumption of energy to continue being a useful asset though.

Right, diamonds just cost human lives.

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TIL. Those pesky Vikings. My cousin, from Indiana, is currently serving as a minister on Stronsay. The scenic photos he's sharing are certainly encouraging me to contemplate a visit.

My great grandfather was skipper of the Evangeline who died along with all the crew off of Stronsay in 1909: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=0UVWUbJp3Ys http://www.axfordsabode.org.uk/disaster/evangeli.pdf Edit: (Can't work out if was great great grandfather or not! - but certainly some ancestor!) Edit2: I'd definitely recommend visiting Orkney - it regularly gets evaluated as one of the nicest bits…

Thank you, that document makes for compelling reading.

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They're all arbitrary stores of value whos intrinsic value is not justified by the market price?

Only Bitcoin requires the continuous consumption of energy to continue being a useful asset though.

Bitcoin doesn't intrinsically require that much power. The computation to verify transactions is a tiny fraction of that required to compete for the next block by hashing. The high hash rate is because of the high difficulty, which is itself dependent on the hash rate of the entire network. If the price of bitcoin drops, the incentive to mine decreases, and thus so does the difficulty.

This is comparable to gold, as an increase in the gold price also incentivises increased mining.

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In the same vein, I'd be curious how much energy gets consumed by HFT.

And how much by machinery to run advertising?

Not to mention all the extra CPU load the tracking and JS spam causes on everyone's phones and computers.

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> There has been growing concern that the rapid expansion of the data centre industry could mean an explosion in energy use. But Emma Fryer, who represents the sector at Tech UK, says that fear has been exaggerated. If we're concerned about the technology industry vastly increasing energy consumption, lets look at the entire medium sized country's worth of energy bitcoin is consuming for absolutely useless calculatio…

In the same vein, I'd be curious how much energy gets consumed by HFT.

I would think far less. HFT isn’t intentionally computationally expensive.

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> There has been growing concern that the rapid expansion of the data centre industry could mean an explosion in energy use. But Emma Fryer, who represents the sector at Tech UK, says that fear has been exaggerated. If we're concerned about the technology industry vastly increasing energy consumption, lets look at the entire medium sized country's worth of energy bitcoin is consuming for absolutely useless calculatio…

Naturally scarce stores of value like Bitcoin, gold, diamonds, etc. have always "wasted" resources, whether they be power, human resource, or polluting the environment. On one hand you could regard them as immoral because of this, on the other hand they enable the freedom to store value without trust.

Diamonds are not naturally scarce nor is gold

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> There has been growing concern that the rapid expansion of the data centre industry could mean an explosion in energy use. But Emma Fryer, who represents the sector at Tech UK, says that fear has been exaggerated. If we're concerned about the technology industry vastly increasing energy consumption, lets look at the entire medium sized country's worth of energy bitcoin is consuming for absolutely useless calculatio…

Naturally scarce stores of value like Bitcoin, gold, diamonds, etc. have always "wasted" resources, whether they be power, human resource, or polluting the environment. On one hand you could regard them as immoral because of this, on the other hand they enable the freedom to store value without trust.

You can't "store value" without trust. Value is not a thing, it is an implicit contract to exchange things over time, and requires trust that everyone will continue to adhere to the contract, ie that debts will be paid.
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