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Re: The Cost of Developers

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Post by jpindar »

scarface74 wrote: post #146
jpindar wrote: post #145

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Autodesk, Altium, Mentor Graphics, Cadence, Keysight, National Instruments, Texas Instruments, Analog Devices, Microchip, CCS, Keil, IAR, NXP, Mikroelektronika, Mitubishi, Xilinx etc. EDA software, CAD/CAM software, instrument control software, electronic simulation and modeling software, specialized compilers/IDEs, etc. are mostly made for Windows desktops (although more and more of them are also supporting Linux no…

And if you combine the revenue of all of those companies, how do they stack up? To put it into perspective King (maker of Candy Crush) - just one mobile app developer made $2 billion in revenue last year ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/288974/king-annual-reven... ) That's about the same as Autodesk ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/416235/net-revenue-of-au... ). Having a dominance in a platform (Windows) wi…

You just said games don't count.

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Post by scarface74 »

jpindar wrote: post #211
scarface74 wrote: post #146

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And if you combine the revenue of all of those companies, how do they stack up? To put it into perspective King (maker of Candy Crush) - just one mobile app developer made $2 billion in revenue last year ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/288974/king-annual-reven... ) That's about the same as Autodesk ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/416235/net-revenue-of-au... ). Having a dominance in a platform (Windows) wi…

You just said games don't count.

I said games don’t count as far as a reason to care about Windows desktop dominance because “Windows” games are usually written on top of a cross platform framework that is fairly easily ported to another platform. Claiming Windows is important because of the number of Unity games that run on it is about like saying Windows is important because of the number of websites you can go to on it.

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Post by Xaena »

foobarbazetc wrote: post #137
coldcode wrote: post #38

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At where I work we use Github Enterprise, which costs way more than Gitlab Enterprise, is not scalable, and barely cares about enterprise customers like ourselves. Gitlab on the other hand is much cheaper, is highly scalable, runs in AWS, and is responsive to requests. Ultimately to make it as a business you need to provide what the customer wants and is willing to pay. Github never did.

We switched from GitHub Enterprise to BitBucket Server several years ago and are pretty (80%) happy with the decision. Saved an absolute truck load of money. The only issue with BitBucket Server is that it (inexplicably) does not have a commit compare view. https://jira.atlassian.com/plugins/servlet/mobile#issue/BSER... This is such a massive oversight I have to conclude Atlassian themselves don’t use this product. I…

Atlassian employee that works with/on Bitbucket here.

We're working on improving that experience. I'd keep a lookout on the next few releases.

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Post by Xaena »

mercutio2 wrote: post #142
foobarbazetc wrote: post #137

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We switched from GitHub Enterprise to BitBucket Server several years ago and are pretty (80%) happy with the decision. Saved an absolute truck load of money. The only issue with BitBucket Server is that it (inexplicably) does not have a commit compare view. https://jira.atlassian.com/plugins/servlet/mobile#issue/BSER... This is such a massive oversight I have to conclude Atlassian themselves don’t use this product. I…

There are many things I find frustrating about BitBucket Server (it’s super slow, for one, it’s insistence on clobbering commit strings during merges is the biggest), but I’ve never wanted a commit compare view; I don’t even know what that is. Care to explain what you would use it for?

I'd be interested to hear about the slow behavior you're seeing. There are some tips and tricks for improving that.

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Post by u801e »

foobarbazetc wrote: post #137
coldcode wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At where I work we use Github Enterprise, which costs way more than Gitlab Enterprise, is not scalable, and barely cares about enterprise customers like ourselves. Gitlab on the other hand is much cheaper, is highly scalable, runs in AWS, and is responsive to requests. Ultimately to make it as a business you need to provide what the customer wants and is willing to pay. Github never did.

We switched from GitHub Enterprise to BitBucket Server several years ago and are pretty (80%) happy with the decision. Saved an absolute truck load of money. The only issue with BitBucket Server is that it (inexplicably) does not have a commit compare view. https://jira.atlassian.com/plugins/servlet/mobile#issue/BSER... This is such a massive oversight I have to conclude Atlassian themselves don’t use this product. I…

> The only issue with BitBucket Server is that it (inexplicably) does not have a commit compare view.

Github and Github Enterprise also fail to provide this view. They do provide a compare view for the triple-dot notation (git diff ...) which actually compares the merge-base of commit1 and commit2 with commit2. It's not possible to do the equivalent of git diff commit1..commit2 in the web interface.

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Post by alter_eco123 »

icedchai wrote: post #143
alter_eco123 wrote: post #98

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Good for you. But you were ostensibly addressing the idea of making it as an independent company - not whether and when revenues and profits might suddenly matter again.

I believe that Github could've done their own IPO at some point. They could've "made it" as an independent company, in that respect, without profits...

And after the proceeds from the IPO have been spent?

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Post by dd36 »

megaman22 wrote: post #185
dd36 wrote: post #150

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If it cost a ton of cash, that would be ridiculous. It is adding some fields and charts. Do you think Zenhub has or had a ton of cash?

If it was so easy to make a decent project management tool, there would be one...

There are many. We built one in Google Sheets. Zenhub layers over Github. We love it too. But I am sure it didn't require tens of millions of dollars to accomplish.

Re: The Cost of Developers

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Post by icedchai »

alter_eco123 wrote: post #216
icedchai wrote: post #143

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I believe that Github could've done their own IPO at some point. They could've "made it" as an independent company, in that respect, without profits...

And after the proceeds from the IPO have been spent?

The great think about equity is you can keep issuing more of it, doing secondary offerings, diluting existing stockholders, and raising more money until your stock price has gone to zero. That takes decades.

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Post by hinkley »

rjsw wrote: post #80
peshkira wrote: post #53

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According to Tim Cook yesterday, there are 20M Apple Developers. Someone is not telling it like it is :)

If that is based on number of Xcode downloads then it will over-count, you need to install it to use Homebrew.

I use Xcode as the command line tool chain to avoid needing brew.

Only recently did I discover you can download the CLI without installing XCode first. Saves about an hour off of setting up a new developer.

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