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Re: GitHub Alternatives

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Post by alkonaut »

manigandham wrote: post #73

For all the complaints about Microsoft, I've yet to hear what they could do that would be so bad? Change the homepage to actually be useful? Improve the search? Give away free private repos?

Kill Atom was the most reasonable fear I heard. And I can’t see how that wouldn’t be a well founded fear. If I was Microsoft I wouldn’t want to keep paying devs to make two so similar products (atom, code). They are much more similar than e.g code/vs or github/vsts.

But even so: I agree the fear that the product will be worse in a few feels completely irrational.

What I can agree with is that it’s unfortunate that it’s no longer seen as a neutral ground for development. It felt almost like a standard or like a piece of infrastructure, rather than a for-profit. But that was of course never the case. But now it becomes obvious, which might fracture the community (it was very nice to have everything in one place - e.g package managers literally started drawing stuff from github links). The appearance of neutrality and trust was the #1 feature of GitHub. Everything else is polish. Microsoft will have to work hard to keep the #1 feature working.

Re: GitHub Alternatives

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Post by josteink »

manigandham wrote: post #70
pmontra wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was alive when Microsoft was evil and I don't want my stuff to stay in a Microsoft service. I moved my pulic repositories to GitLab today. It's slower and it doesn't looks as nice but it's ok. I self host my private repositories, no need of a third party service for that. By the way, Bitbucket looks a little better than GitLab but its usability is abysmal. I always have troubles finding the things I want in there.

Companies aren't evil, they are just a group of people, and so it stands to reason when the leaders of that group have changed then "the company" has changed too. Also what exactly is so bad about MS owning Github? The amount of conspiracy theory on HN is incredible.

> Also what exactly is so bad about MS owning Github?

No idea. Especially compared to the other realistic options: Facebook or Google.

> The amount of conspiracy theory on HN is incredible.

If you think this is bad, I advice you to not investigate the mood down in /r/linux or other similar reddit-subs.

Re: GitHub Alternatives

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Post by macinjosh »

untog wrote: post #46
oneplane wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fixing an imago set by a guy calling open-source and Linux 'a cancer' is really hard. The last few years of changes doesn't magically wipe away that bitter taste, and the last 10-20 years doesn't magically make you forget the past.

It's an interesting debate though. If the CEO and most of the major execs of a company have left, is it really worthwhile to factor statements made 17 years ago into your decision making process? Don't get me wrong, many will avoid MS-anything to punish them for their past conduct, which is a fair personal decision. But if you're trying to evaluate what MS will do in the future, I'm not sure how relevant 2001 is.

In my mind it is less about the people who made the statements or were there when the statements were made and more about whether the company has the same business model now that it did at the time.

Re: GitHub Alternatives

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Post by mastrsushi »

Is everyone really leaving GitHub, or is this just like 2013 when everyone "left" Google for DuckDuckGo. This is pretty bad personally, I'm writing a webcrawler for the site. I plan on making it cross-website anyway, but it kinda sucks hearing this.

Re: GitHub Alternatives

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Post by maineldc »

macinjosh wrote: post #80

I am a happy gitlab.com user. However, with all of this week's news I decided to see what it would take to run my own GitLab instance. I was surprised to find that on Digital Ocean and AWS Lightsail the one-click GitLab installs required an instance that costs ~$40 per month just for me, one user. Any cheaper/smaller instances were to anemic to run GitLab at all. Seems like there are some performance issues to deal w…

I run a small gitlab instance on a $14/mo OVH instance and have been quite happy. I used to run on the smaller version and it was still OK.

Re: GitHub Alternatives

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Post by pmichaud »

untog wrote: post #46
oneplane wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fixing an imago set by a guy calling open-source and Linux 'a cancer' is really hard. The last few years of changes doesn't magically wipe away that bitter taste, and the last 10-20 years doesn't magically make you forget the past.

It's an interesting debate though. If the CEO and most of the major execs of a company have left, is it really worthwhile to factor statements made 17 years ago into your decision making process? Don't get me wrong, many will avoid MS-anything to punish them for their past conduct, which is a fair personal decision. But if you're trying to evaluate what MS will do in the future, I'm not sure how relevant 2001 is.

I basically agree with you, but just to play devil's advocate:

> Maybe the relevant factor isn't whether the same people are in place, but rather that the process that selected those people at all, selected both the "linux is cancer" people, as well as the current people. And that process is the same as it was before, optimizing for the same things, and therefore it may try to undermine open source again, once the prevailing cultural winds shift again, regardless of which warm body is currently in the hot seat.

It's a little more of a abstract argument, but I don't think it's insane to consider.

So the debate then becomes about whether the process really is the same or not.

Re: GitHub Alternatives

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Post by bauerd »

oaiey wrote: post #78

These are no alternatives. GitHub is a specialized social network with git hosting included.

Exactly this, feature comparisons completely miss the point imo. GitHub is the centralized place where 95% of open source happens. A CI/CD pipeline bolted on top or k8s integration do not replace the community that GitHub is home to.

Re: GitHub Alternatives

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Post by cobbzilla »

macinjosh wrote: post #80

I am a happy gitlab.com user. However, with all of this week's news I decided to see what it would take to run my own GitLab instance. I was surprised to find that on Digital Ocean and AWS Lightsail the one-click GitLab installs required an instance that costs ~$40 per month just for me, one user. Any cheaper/smaller instances were to anemic to run GitLab at all. Seems like there are some performance issues to deal w…

GitLab is a Rails app, what did you expect? /s We use gitea (written in Go), it runs well on more modest hardware.
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