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Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by derefr »

yebyen wrote: post #37
thesandlord wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK, none of the big three cloud providers (GKE,AKS,EKS) lets you do this.

Yeah, none of the rest of the big three are asking you to pay anything for those masters at this point, though. "They're your nodes, you paid for them" seems like a reasonable position to take here.

> "They're your nodes, you paid for them" seems like a reasonable position to take here.

If that were a reasonable position, you'd think AWS RDS and Google Cloud SQL would give you superuser access to your database instances to do things like installing Postgres extensions.

It seems a lot of people are happy to pay for instances they can't even SSH into. :/

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by yebyen »

derefr wrote: post #41
yebyen wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, none of the rest of the big three are asking you to pay anything for those masters at this point, though. "They're your nodes, you paid for them" seems like a reasonable position to take here.

> "They're your nodes, you paid for them" seems like a reasonable position to take here. If that were a reasonable position, you'd think AWS RDS and Google Cloud SQL would give you superuser access to your database instances to do things like installing Postgres extensions. It seems a lot of people are happy to pay for instances they can't even SSH into. :/

Sure, I guess so, it's a value add. Your engineers can't mess anything up if they have no access at all.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by puzzle »

derefr wrote: post #35
CSDude wrote: post #32

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Do you think management nodes are free? Master nodes need to run etcd+kube api. These master nodes are multi region available with HA configured, which will be expensive even if you use smaller instances yourself. Google might be free but if you are already in AWS and do not want to manage Kubernetes masters at all and treat your worker nodes like cattle, it is a very nice and enough solution. What integration do you…

> Do you think management nodes are free? ... Google['s management nodes] might be free Indeed they are. Why do you think that is? It could be that they're a great big loss-leader for GKE, or that the costs of GKE management nodes are amortized into the per-cluster-node costs. But neither of these seem to be true. (The pricing of GKE management nodes before they made them free was negligible; and GKE nodes don't cost…

Last time I checked, Google's public renewable energy footprint was 2x Amazon's, as a proximate for the actual footprint, so it's not that crazy to imagine that there are plenty of slack resources to run small VMs or even Borg tasks for these masters.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by NathanKP »

georgewfraser wrote: post #3

Does this mean ECS is going away? It’s sort of strange that they have two managed-container-deployment products.

No ECS is definitely not going away. Having multiple ways of doing something is not strange for Amazon, in fact its what you should expect from Amazon. Just look at how many different database options there are!

ECS will remain as the free option that is great for small workloads, and companies that are going all in on AWS. It has the tightest integrations with other AWS services.

EKS is a good option for companies that don't mind spending a little more to run the open source version so that they have portability or a consistent environment between their on-premise and the cloud. While EKS does integrate with other AWS services it has to do so through plugins and controllers that aren't quite as tightly coupled, since EKS is just the same open source Kubernetes that you can run anywhere.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by NathanKP »

knoxa2511 wrote: post #9

Are docs available yet? The pages aren't working for me. - https://docs.aws.amazon.com/eks/latest/userguide/what-is-eks... Same with getting started guide - https://aws.amazon.com/getting-started/projects/deploy-kuber...

The documentation should be up now. Try a hard refresh in your browser if you are still seeing an error page.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by user5994461 »

derefr wrote: post #39
nat wrote: post #29

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You're thinking like a human. There are plenty of organizations where $5/mo and $150/mo are essentially indistinguishable and would not affect decision making in any way.

And plenty of startups that choose between AWS and GCP at a point when those numbers are plenty distinguishable, even though later on they'll become those organizations.

And they will all die pretty quickly for running their infrastructure on a pre emptible instance to save a few dollars.

By the way, startups get $100k free credits on each of the major clouds.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by [deleted] »

yebyen wrote: post #31
nat wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're thinking like a human. There are plenty of organizations where $5/mo and $150/mo are essentially indistinguishable and would not affect decision making in any way.

That's $150/mo before you even launch a single worker tho. I don't know about you, but I'd personally rather pay the $5 if I don't need a serious cluster yet. How much in actual absolute dollars do you think this is going to cost you, just in order to figure out exactly how it works, and what other AWS widgets you'll also need to pay for in order to use it effectively? I am a human, basically looking for a stepping s…

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Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by yebyen »

user5994461 wrote: post #46
derefr wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And plenty of startups that choose between AWS and GCP at a point when those numbers are plenty distinguishable, even though later on they'll become those organizations.

And they will all die pretty quickly for running their infrastructure on a pre emptible instance to save a few dollars. By the way, startups get $100k free credits on each of the major clouds.

You can afford ~5 preemptible instances for the cost of one full-time instance. I think you are severely overestimating the harm that is done by preempting/terminating instances in a prod Kubernetes cluster that is capably configured for full HA and distributed across zones. That's what it's made for – nodes are as disposable as pods. They may come and go as they please, and they'll be replaced as needed by the self-healing nature of the cluster and the scaling group.

(Why save a few dollars when you can get extra capacity instead? Especially when you have $100k of someone else's money to burn... so, for real though, anyone who has actually tried this configuration can chime in and confirm that it works as well as I imagine.)

I'm pretty sure that periodically shutting down some nodes is a boon for cluster utilization, too. One of the things that Kubernetes does not do on its own, is load rebalancing. You can configure the autoscaler to recognize when nodes are overprovisioned, and let it drain a few and shut them down... or you can let the preemptible nature of (some/all of your) nodes do it for you.

(Why not both? Some nodes are getting killed, or you're paying for resources you don't use, so... one way or another.)

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by jfk92n8 »

013a wrote: post #17

Been waiting for this for... 7 months now since its announcement at ReInvent? My initial impressions are very negative. What even is the point of this? The clusters themselves do nothing, they're just a control plane you pay $144/month for. You need to add nodes from CloudFormation? Is there any integration at all with CodeBuild/CodeDeploy/CodePipeline? No mention anywhere of Ingress... I sure hope that's built in, b…

Because people will pay for it and stick with AWS if SOMETHING is happening, rather than move Google or Azure

All the talk here about start small and grow

But somehow the big guys are supposed to push the final version of $newthing out Day-1?

They might have the resources but it’s the economics for new thing don’t change

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