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Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by yebyen »

nat wrote: post #29
yebyen wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Google GKE offering can operate with a single g1-small worker. That's $0.0257/hr or $0.0070/hr preemptible. $5/mo minimum* This is not even the same ballpark. *(to be fair, the $5/mo minimum does not include a private network and a load balancer, and you will almost definitely need both in order to actually do anything with a cluster.)

You're thinking like a human. There are plenty of organizations where $5/mo and $150/mo are essentially indistinguishable and would not affect decision making in any way.

That's $150/mo before you even launch a single worker tho.

I don't know about you, but I'd personally rather pay the $5 if I don't need a serious cluster yet. How much in actual absolute dollars do you think this is going to cost you, just in order to figure out exactly how it works, and what other AWS widgets you'll also need to pay for in order to use it effectively?

I am a human, basically looking for a stepping stone on some actual cloud to land on that is comparable to Minikube, and this sure isn't it.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

#32

Post by CSDude »

013a wrote: post #17

Been waiting for this for... 7 months now since its announcement at ReInvent? My initial impressions are very negative. What even is the point of this? The clusters themselves do nothing, they're just a control plane you pay $144/month for. You need to add nodes from CloudFormation? Is there any integration at all with CodeBuild/CodeDeploy/CodePipeline? No mention anywhere of Ingress... I sure hope that's built in, b…

Do you think management nodes are free? Master nodes need to run etcd+kube api. These master nodes are multi region available with HA configured, which will be expensive even if you use smaller instances yourself. Google might be free but if you are already in AWS and do not want to manage Kubernetes masters at all and treat your worker nodes like cattle, it is a very nice and enough solution.

What integration do you need? The good thing about EKS is that it is CNCF Conformant Kubernetes, meaning anything works with upstream Kubernetes works here, including ingress controllers that already work with both ALB and ELB+Nginx.

I am not defending Amazon, most of their managed services suck and very slow, but both preview and GA experience of EKS was great and enough for me.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by puzzle »

013a wrote: post #17

Been waiting for this for... 7 months now since its announcement at ReInvent? My initial impressions are very negative. What even is the point of this? The clusters themselves do nothing, they're just a control plane you pay $144/month for. You need to add nodes from CloudFormation? Is there any integration at all with CodeBuild/CodeDeploy/CodePipeline? No mention anywhere of Ingress... I sure hope that's built in, b…

The rumor at Kubecon (in December, right after re:Invent) was that at the time there were only five people working on EKS, so you shouldn't have expected much. Thus, even if the team grew in the meantime, and it must have, you can't expect a solid product before at least the end of 2018. Waiting one year from announcement before adopting a brand new AWS product seems to be a reasonable rule of thumb.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

#34

Post by toomuchtodo »

CSDude wrote: post #32
013a wrote: post #17

Been waiting for this for... 7 months now since its announcement at ReInvent? My initial impressions are very negative. What even is the point of this? The clusters themselves do nothing, they're just a control plane you pay $144/month for. You need to add nodes from CloudFormation? Is there any integration at all with CodeBuild/CodeDeploy/CodePipeline? No mention anywhere of Ingress... I sure hope that's built in, b…

Do you think management nodes are free? Master nodes need to run etcd+kube api. These master nodes are multi region available with HA configured, which will be expensive even if you use smaller instances yourself. Google might be free but if you are already in AWS and do not want to manage Kubernetes masters at all and treat your worker nodes like cattle, it is a very nice and enough solution. What integration do you…

If management nodes run in containers themselves (managed on AWS VMs), I’d assume a lower cost than what it’d cost to run them on VMs in AWS.

Is questioning the cost of a product not a fair question?

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by derefr »

CSDude wrote: post #32
013a wrote: post #17

Been waiting for this for... 7 months now since its announcement at ReInvent? My initial impressions are very negative. What even is the point of this? The clusters themselves do nothing, they're just a control plane you pay $144/month for. You need to add nodes from CloudFormation? Is there any integration at all with CodeBuild/CodeDeploy/CodePipeline? No mention anywhere of Ingress... I sure hope that's built in, b…

Do you think management nodes are free? Master nodes need to run etcd+kube api. These master nodes are multi region available with HA configured, which will be expensive even if you use smaller instances yourself. Google might be free but if you are already in AWS and do not want to manage Kubernetes masters at all and treat your worker nodes like cattle, it is a very nice and enough solution. What integration do you…

> Do you think management nodes are free? ... Google['s management nodes] might be free

Indeed they are. Why do you think that is?

It could be that they're a great big loss-leader for GKE, or that the costs of GKE management nodes are amortized into the per-cluster-node costs. But neither of these seem to be true. (The pricing of GKE management nodes before they made them free was negligible; and GKE nodes don't cost any more than equivalent GCE nodes.)

The real answer, I think, is that K8s management nodes really are just not all that big a deal to run. Certainly not $144/mo of a big deal.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by yebyen »

013a wrote: post #17

Been waiting for this for... 7 months now since its announcement at ReInvent? My initial impressions are very negative. What even is the point of this? The clusters themselves do nothing, they're just a control plane you pay $144/month for. You need to add nodes from CloudFormation? Is there any integration at all with CodeBuild/CodeDeploy/CodePipeline? No mention anywhere of Ingress... I sure hope that's built in, b…

Just guessing, I think they were thinking, "We'd better put something out there in GA before Azure/AKS does. We're already late to the party." Maybe they actually don't think of that at all... I'm very skeptical of that.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by yebyen »

thesandlord wrote: post #30
Rapzid wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ouch, no option to schedule pods onto the control plane for small clusters?

AFAIK, none of the big three cloud providers (GKE,AKS,EKS) lets you do this.

Yeah, none of the rest of the big three are asking you to pay anything for those masters at this point, though. "They're your nodes, you paid for them" seems like a reasonable position to take here.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by idunno246 »

allanbreyes wrote: post #16
yebyen wrote: post #2

> You pay $0.20 per hour for the EKS Control Plane, and usual EC2, EBS, and Load Balancing prices for resources that run in your account Objectively that's not bad for HA masters in separate AZs, but I think for those who have been using Kubernetes on the Google cloud it's certainly going to have a hard time competing with "you don't pay anything for HA masters at all." > ingress from the Twitch stream, it sounds lik…

HA seems like a poor choice as a default. I don't want to pay ~$150/month for dev and staging clusters, and I certainly don't need them to be HA. IIUC, Google/GKE and Microsoft/AKS are single-zone by default... free for masters, but not free for HA.

Until recently gke was charging 0.15/ hour too, so aws is just a little behind

https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2017/11/Cutting-Cluster...

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by derefr »

nat wrote: post #29
yebyen wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Google GKE offering can operate with a single g1-small worker. That's $0.0257/hr or $0.0070/hr preemptible. $5/mo minimum* This is not even the same ballpark. *(to be fair, the $5/mo minimum does not include a private network and a load balancer, and you will almost definitely need both in order to actually do anything with a cluster.)

You're thinking like a human. There are plenty of organizations where $5/mo and $150/mo are essentially indistinguishable and would not affect decision making in any way.

And plenty of startups that choose between AWS and GCP at a point when those numbers are plenty distinguishable, even though later on they'll become those organizations.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by derefr »

thesandlord wrote: post #30
Rapzid wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ouch, no option to schedule pods onto the control plane for small clusters?

AFAIK, none of the big three cloud providers (GKE,AKS,EKS) lets you do this.

When you deploy Kubernetes "add-ons" like Helm's tillerd or https://github.com/jetstack/cert-manager/, the active containers of those get deployed to the management node, no?
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