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Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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GDPR doesn't sound so bad now, does it? :)

No. You know what sounds nice? Having the choice to not buy a Tesla. I don’t need Government™ to tell me what kind of contracts I can agree to.

> Having the choice to not buy a Tesla.

If Tesla's business model proves successful, all other car makers will copy it, and then it doesn't matter which brand you buy.

Look at the TV market. You technically have the choice not to buy a "Smart TV," which sells your info to god-knows how many third-parties and spies on you 24/7. But good luck finding one. Sony, Samsung, LG? They all have the same spyware features. Your only option is to buy brandless Chinese TVs with terrible picture and worse sound quality.

How long until all manufacturers start acting like Tesla? What choice will we have then? Start walking everywhere like our ancient ancestors?

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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post #178

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Only if you are in the EU. Many Tesla drivers aren't.

If Tesla has a branch or subsidiary or something similar in the EU, then GDPR applies regardless of where the data is actually processed or where the data subject is.

If the customer is in the US (or any other non-EU jurisdiction) they don't have to follow GDPR for them.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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So this is something that has always kind of bugged me about Tesla. If you have an accident, they are more than happy to drop the crash data "proving" that you were at fault, look at the recent stories about running into a road barrier and the back of a firetruck for recent examples of this. And, of course, they don't ask you first if they can release it. However, if you want the data, you can't have it… you have to…

Accompanying this tight information control your Tesla can only be repaired at a Tesla dealership, with tight control over parts and labor prices. https://gas2.org/2015/01/06/this-is-what-30000-of-damage-loo... and lots of forum posts out there on this

A bunch of horror stories of months-long turnarounds for fender-benders too. https://jalopnik.com/teslas-potential-body-shop-backlog-nigh...

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Sure, very simple logic. That is of course until Comcast becomes the only internet provider in your area. I prefer my gov to have my back on those simple things just in case a particular situation that makes it easy for anyone to screw me over arises.

OK, let’s see if we can think of one solution to that problem… Oh! Enforce existing anti-trust laws! This, plus the fact that the increasingly monopolistic reality of ISP in the United States is a direct result of overregulation. We don’t need more laws. We need to enforce some of the most basic laws that have existed fore more than a century.

Unregulated capitalism by no means naturally prevents large monopolies being formed. That's why the government got involved in "trust-busting" in the first place.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you are in the EU. Many Tesla drivers aren't.

If Tesla has a branch or subsidiary or something similar in the EU, then GDPR applies regardless of where the data is actually processed or where the data subject is.

No. If you're a US citizen* doing business with a US-based company you don't have the right to request your own data, even if that company also does business in Europe.

* and there are European citizen dual passport shenanigans

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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I have an anecdote, somewhat in defense of Tesla: a few years ago I was the victim of an armed robbery. One of the things I lost was my iPod touch, which was logged into a few media services, including Netflix. A few days later, logging into my Netflix account, I noticed that my "Recently played/Continue watching" list had some things I had never watched (including the show "Prison Break").

I called Netflix customer support and asked if I could get location/IP logs. The Netflix support person was very sympathetic but said that it was not company policy to release that info. I didn't ask for the issue to be elevated, or ask about a subpoena (I assume Netflix would respond to a subpoena).

But IMO, the difference between my situation with Netflix, and Tesla is:

1. Netflix does not seem to have a practice of divulging my user data in a public forum.

2. The circumstances for my data request were unusual -- it's not as if every time a Netflix-equipped device gets stolen, Netflix is expected to respond, or even be aware of it. But presumably, Tesla has a data process ready in the event of every kind of accident, no matter the actual cause or circumstances.

In other words, what I was asking from Netflix was refused because they don't have a standard operating procedure for responding to info about IP/location requests. If such a thing were needed, it's not hard to imagine Netflix making it a service, just as FB and Google data takeouts include login location history.

But Tesla does have standard procedure for retrieving, storing, and transmitting vehicle logs, including divulging the data publicly without being compelled by the government. Which is why users seem to have a greater expectation that Tesla should be able to send them their own data.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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post #47

So this is something that has always kind of bugged me about Tesla. If you have an accident, they are more than happy to drop the crash data "proving" that you were at fault, look at the recent stories about running into a road barrier and the back of a firetruck for recent examples of this. And, of course, they don't ask you first if they can release it. However, if you want the data, you can't have it… you have to…

GDPR doesn't sound so bad now, does it? :)

It still does.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

#198
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Accelerator pedal immediately went from 0% to 100%? Really? Even I don't press my brake like that when parking.

They say abruptly. And this is normal in a mistaken accelerator pedal application. You press down on the 'brake', the car speeds up, you panic stomp down on the 'brake' as hard as you can.

Which would not result in an instant 0% -> 100% reading. One would expect a gradual slope from 0% to, say, 30%, then a sharp increase to 100% some tens or hundreds of milliseconds later.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

#199

Can we please go back to selling physical things instead of EULAs? If I bought the car it's mine along with all the data I generate while inside of MY vehicle. This is why I will not buy newer computer filled vehicles; they don't belong to you anymore.

Actually, I think we need a new, stronger rule. You must have guaranteed strong controls (the ability to review it, at the very least) over all data generated by virtue of your existence as a free agent. In the future, everything will have sensors in it. If we leave things as they are now, your Samsung refrigerator will be reporting back what you eat, and when. A good place to sell that data is to grocery stores and…

I may be wrong, but that’s exactly what GDPR tries to achieve.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. You know what sounds nice? Having the choice to not buy a Tesla. I don’t need Government™ to tell me what kind of contracts I can agree to.

> Having the choice to not buy a Tesla. If Tesla's business model proves successful, all other car makers will copy it, and then it doesn't matter which brand you buy. Look at the TV market. You technically have the choice not to buy a "Smart TV," which sells your info to god-knows how many third-parties and spies on you 24/7. But good luck finding one. Sony, Samsung, LG? They all have the same spyware features. Your…

Can't you just not connect them to the Internet?
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