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Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by cabaalis »

jimmaswell wrote: post #86
adrianN wrote: post #2

Can we make a law that all data collected by devices that I bought belongs to me? Yes, that includes everything the websites I visit send back to the mothership.

There's no real justification for anyone having that right. The device manufacturer/website owner/etc does the work of creating the data, yet you think it's yours?

I have no legal basis for this but it seems apparent to me that there is a difference between data you generate vs data generated for you. For instance, in Microsoft Word if I type a book, I obviously own that data because I myself entered it into the system. However I don't believe I can claim ownership over passive data that was collected during my use of the system.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by toomuchtodo »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #110

What's the deal with the recent flood of anti-Tesla news? Does someone want to buy Tesla stock, or is Tesla just no longer cool?

This article [+] explains it pretty succinctly, with as little bias as possible (TL;DR Tesla is the most shorted stock in the US, while also endangering entrenched interests).

[+] https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/5/29/1767826/-The-War-...

EDIT: below content moved up to this comment from danso reply in order to be more concise as well as to keep signal to post ratio high:

I do my best to provide non-biased sources/citations, as well as provide arguments without any intellectual disingenuity. If you can find something that is inaccurate or subjective, please point it out.

It's fairly obvious that the data used by Reveal was manipulated in their sensational Tesla piece, and I'm happy to continue to aggregate additional sources that bear that out. You left out the next six paragraphs that explain why there is no basis in fact for what Reveal wrote.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by cfadvan »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #105
netsharc wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We will be disruptive when we can seem to be more consumer-friendly unless it makes us look bad, at that point we'll just say 'that's the industry standard, sorry you're SOL!'".

Can't help unrealistic expectations. If you don't like the policy, don't buy the car. I mean, it's a bit silly, no? Everyone complaining in this thread while Tesla churns out thousands of vehicles a week to a backlog of consumers willing to wait at least another year for their vehicle. To you , it might be an issue. To those who matter (Tesla investors, employees, and customers), it isn't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The market has sp…

The Tesla PR machine has done everything it can to build hype and expectations, that didn’t come out of nowhere. As for don’t buy the car, given the increased rate of refunds, clearly that’s the trend. It is a bit silly though, for a business with a sky-high market cap to adopt a take it or leave it attitude about the sales they so desperately need.

The market also speaks by shorting Tesla, and with TSLA volatility on par with a cryptocurrency.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by danso »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #105
netsharc wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We will be disruptive when we can seem to be more consumer-friendly unless it makes us look bad, at that point we'll just say 'that's the industry standard, sorry you're SOL!'".

Can't help unrealistic expectations. If you don't like the policy, don't buy the car. I mean, it's a bit silly, no? Everyone complaining in this thread while Tesla churns out thousands of vehicles a week to a backlog of consumers willing to wait at least another year for their vehicle. To you , it might be an issue. To those who matter (Tesla investors, employees, and customers), it isn't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The market has sp…

The people who are complaining in the posted article are fellow Tesla owners. They don't "matter" to Tesla (or to you, obviously)?

Not that Tesla owners should be the only ones interested in the policies of Tesla, one of the most high-valued car companies and potential industry leaders. I'm not an Android user but I pay attention to how they deal with privacy and security issues.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by [deleted] »

danso wrote: post #114
toomuchtodo wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't help unrealistic expectations. If you don't like the policy, don't buy the car. I mean, it's a bit silly, no? Everyone complaining in this thread while Tesla churns out thousands of vehicles a week to a backlog of consumers willing to wait at least another year for their vehicle. To you , it might be an issue. To those who matter (Tesla investors, employees, and customers), it isn't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The market has sp…

The people who are complaining in the posted article are fellow Tesla owners. They don't "matter" to Tesla (or to you, obviously)? Not that Tesla owners should be the only ones interested in the policies of Tesla, one of the most high-valued car companies and potential industry leaders. I'm not an Android user but I pay attention to how they deal with privacy and security issues.

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Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by xvf22 »

pwagland wrote: post #39

So this is something that has always kind of bugged me about Tesla. If you have an accident, they are more than happy to drop the crash data "proving" that you were at fault, look at the recent stories about running into a road barrier and the back of a firetruck for recent examples of this. And, of course, they don't ask you first if they can release it. However, if you want the data, you can't have it… you have to…

I guess the data is built into the price of a Tesla? Would be nice if there was an option to pay not to be so heavily tracked.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by danso »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #112
ASalazarMX wrote: post #110

What's the deal with the recent flood of anti-Tesla news? Does someone want to buy Tesla stock, or is Tesla just no longer cool?

This article [+] explains it pretty succinctly, with as little bias as possible (TL;DR Tesla is the most shorted stock in the US, while also endangering entrenched interests). [+] https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/5/29/1767826/-The-War-... EDIT: below content moved up to this comment from danso reply in order to be more concise as well as to keep signal to post ratio high: I do my best to provide non-biased sourc…

> Step up Reveal, an “independent journalism organization” to start “reporting” on Tesla. Quotation marks are normally considered to denote sarcasm, and boy do I ever mean it.

Sounds like an article committed to defending Tesla. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but "with as little bias as possible" is debatable.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by slededit »

gcheong wrote: post #59

Just a point of clarification as I was confused reading the description. The $1000 to access data isn't on an event by event basis. It's for the cables to connect to the EDR so presumably once you have them you can access all the data in the EDR at any time. http://www.crashdatagroup.com/tesla-edr-kit/

They can get the data remotely from a smashed car on the side of the road to slander the driver. But somehow if you want it, a $1000 cable is totally necessary.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by empath75 »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #110

What's the deal with the recent flood of anti-Tesla news? Does someone want to buy Tesla stock, or is Tesla just no longer cool?

I'd like Tesla to succeed in terms of mass produced electric cars, but their self driving program in particular is reckless, and the way they treat their own customers after their product kills them is just horrific.

They really should just cut their losses on autopilot and focus on figuring out their production line.

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