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Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by jrs95 »

bambax wrote: post #33
kodablah wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is, if it belongs to me, can I voluntarily give it up even under the known condition I can't ask for it back? I mean, it belongs to me right? That's where these laws often run afoul. You can have more freedom with consequences, or less freedom with restrictions.

Data isn't "property", it should be an unalienable right, like an author's moral rights over his work: it's yours but you can't sell it or otherwise dispose of it.

Isn't authors selling the rights to their work basically how the entire book industry works?

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by MisterTea »

Can we please go back to selling physical things instead of EULAs? If I bought the car it's mine along with all the data I generate while inside of MY vehicle. This is why I will not buy newer computer filled vehicles; they don't belong to you anymore.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by aerovistae »

emodendroket wrote: post #21

It seems like Tesla's on the fast-track to an Uber-tier reputation.

Yeah, if any imperfect company is instantly equated with a pure evil company, then sure. Seems fair.

But, then again, I can see how you'd think Tesla was pure evil too if you buy into all the endless nonsense published about them without doing any research.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by tankenmate »

thierryzoller wrote: post #12

Interested to see how this would play out in Europe under the GDPR. Data should be personal data and hence each data subject has full rights to access it.

Not only that the GDPR requires that organisations provide the data in a standardised format that is easy to use / export.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by caio1982 »

danso wrote: post #34
caio1982 wrote: post #22

Danso, by no means I wanted to "stalk" you but I noticed you posted at least 5 negative/harsh articles about Tesla last month, which is fine to me as HN has a lot of Musk fanboys to counterbalance, anyways, I was wondering if you have any customer story to share about Tesla that affected you, i.e. did you own one and it was a bad car or did you lost money investing in them? I am genuinely interested in that backgroun…

No worries, looking up someone's posting history is kosher IMO. No, I'm not a Tesla customer. Nor do I have any position in Tesla stocks (or oil, for that matter). To be honest, I think the Tesla cars sound quite good, and appreciate what Musk and the company has done to make EV an attractive industry. But as you've probably seen in my Tesla-related submissions, I'm currently not a huge fan in how Tesla is currently…

Thanks man, I appreciate the honest response, and that's exactly what I was imagining (skepticism towards self-driving tech, that I share to some extent).

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by adrianN »

jrs95 wrote: post #41
bambax wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Data isn't "property", it should be an unalienable right, like an author's moral rights over his work: it's yours but you can't sell it or otherwise dispose of it.

Isn't authors selling the rights to their work basically how the entire book industry works?

Selling the rights to publish your book is different from giving up all the rights you have over your book. The latter is something that (IANAL...) you can't do in many jurisdictions.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by jopsen »

pwagland wrote: post #39

So this is something that has always kind of bugged me about Tesla. If you have an accident, they are more than happy to drop the crash data "proving" that you were at fault, look at the recent stories about running into a road barrier and the back of a firetruck for recent examples of this. And, of course, they don't ask you first if they can release it. However, if you want the data, you can't have it… you have to…

GDPR doesn't sound so bad now, does it? :)

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by vinceguidry »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #38
vinceguidry wrote: post #32

Oh boy, I was so excited to get a Tesla when the time finally came, but if they're still pulling this crap when that happens, guess I'm getting a Benz instead.

Try to get the data out of your GM or Ford airbag flash storage device (any vehicle with a data logger paired to the airbag subsystem, which is most cars on the road) and see how similar the process is. More “journalistic” nonsense. I agree they have a lot of legitimate issues (cash flow, scaling, retention, working conditions, process maturity, overpromising) to deal with, but can’t journalists focus on those instea…

Tesla's a new company, either they're holding themselves to a higher standard than the establishment or they aren't. If they're not then I'm going with the establishment. I can overlook a great great great many things in service of the cause of disrupting the auto industry.

But this? Asking me to take personal responsibility with no legal recourse? This is the line they can't ask me to cross. If this is fake news, fine, it'll come out. If it's not, then sorry Tesla, can't do it.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by dsr_ »

jrs95 wrote: post #41
bambax wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Data isn't "property", it should be an unalienable right, like an author's moral rights over his work: it's yours but you can't sell it or otherwise dispose of it.

Isn't authors selling the rights to their work basically how the entire book industry works?

That's the copying right, not the moral right. The moral right is the right to be identified as the creator and the right to maintain the integrity of the work in subsequent copying.
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