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Hype and plunder: Domo a new low for self-indulgent IPOs

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Re: Hype and plunder: Domo a new low for self-indulgent IPOs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even look at those numbers? That's a drop in the bucket compared to $800MM. Very curious myself as to how that breaks down.

The issue is not the amounts, but the flagrant self-dealing.

Sure, but that stuff is ubiquitous in the biz world, it's just not usually done so flagrantly as you say. So it's not as interesting to me as the GP's question, how in the holy heck can a brand new company run through $800MM in 3 years?

If this is routine, then shit, I'm wasting my life.

Re: Hype and plunder: Domo a new low for self-indulgent IPOs

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I take this as one of the two central themes of this article:

"...points to a persistent flaw in Silicon Valley financing: the willingness to give start-up founders unassailable control of their companies, to the point that investors have no recourse if things go blooey."

That's not a flaw, it's a fundamental part of how it is meant to work.

The investors generally don't want to invest in companies run by a committee of investors... or else they would certainly do just that. Not to mention the larger investors could self-fund their own companies, if that's what they wanted to do, and retain all control. They are investing in the ideas, talent, and execution of the founders and other principal executives. It would be pointless to turn around and take control away from them.

(I think the other main theme of this article is that Domo is a mess... which is probably true. I only know what I read in the article, but it seems they have real revenue? It would have to more than double to match their rate of spending, but that can happen if they really provide value. It's hard to have confidence, though, in a CEO who is funneling money out of the company to his family and himself. Just the willingness to put that kind of cloud over the company, is a red flag.)

Re: Hype and plunder: Domo a new low for self-indulgent IPOs

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I first heard of Domo last year when we were trying to find a better alternative our BI system. And boy, we were in for a ride. The first warning sign was that their pitch was full of cool sounding words. They kept referring to the product as a "cloud based operating system", whatever that meant. When we asked them to demo, their presales consultant struggled to create anything other than a canned demo. Personally, I…

curious, what BI tool did you end up going with?

Re: Hype and plunder: Domo a new low for self-indulgent IPOs

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post #22

I take this as one of the two central themes of this article: "...points to a persistent flaw in Silicon Valley financing: the willingness to give start-up founders unassailable control of their companies, to the point that investors have no recourse if things go blooey." That's not a flaw, it's a fundamental part of how it is meant to work. The investors generally don't want to invest in companies run by a committee…

> That's not a flaw, it's a fundamental part of how it is meant to work.

Is it? Up until recently this was not the typical result. Google did this and others have followed, but it’s not how it was done before then.

Re: Hype and plunder: Domo a new low for self-indulgent IPOs

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Reading this whole article and it isn't until the end you find out what Domo even does. Can't believe they've built an 800million deficit this quickly. Besides the wasteful expenditures described in the article, where is the money going? This isn't like Uber where they have to spend to grow. They are a software-only company.

They are a BI dashboard company with lots of data integration connectors. They've been burning money with ads declaring 'spreadsheets are dead' and silly Domopalooza[1] lifestyle events [1] https://www.domo.com/news/press/domopalooza-2016-to-feature-... [2] https://www.domo.com/news/press/kesha-joins-the-domopalooza-... [3] https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/02/15/1349133/0/...

>silly Domopalooza[1] lifestyle events

Reminds me of a particular west coast startup I was associated with that took its final round of funding and blew most of it on a massive out-of-town party. Flew in all of the A-list bankers and tech types it could find.

The idea was to make the (failing) app look like a huge deal in the eyes of investors and get bought, thus fulfilling its exit strategy.

It worked.

Re: Hype and plunder: Domo a new low for self-indulgent IPOs

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Amateurs. "Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism."

There are a few alternative links in the comments here that are GDPR friendly

Re: Hype and plunder: Domo a new low for self-indulgent IPOs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>where is the money going? $1.8m leasing a jet from the CEO and $300k on catering from a restaurant owned by the CEO and his brother is part of it, according to FT Alphaville (free, but registration required): https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/06/05/1528193040000/What-is...

Did you even look at those numbers? That's a drop in the bucket compared to $800MM. Very curious myself as to how that breaks down.

Did you even look at those numbers?

One might safely assume that parent did just that, given the detail of what they posted.

How do people pulling down six figures a year (in somewhere other than SV) not have any money at the end of the month? One $4 latte and NewEgg impulse buy at a time. I get the impression that you're looking for the big ticket item(s). Maybe there isn't one. Maybe it's just one $1.8MM jet rental at a time. $1.8MM for jets + $600K for catering = $2.4MM. Do that about 350 more times and there's your $800MM. And I'm dead serious about the 350 number. I'll bet they pay too much for payroll because "only the best and brightest", the in-house gym with state-of-the-art equipment didn't come cheap, the $100K espresso machine, and on and on...

Re: Hype and plunder: Domo a new low for self-indulgent IPOs

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> Domo actually is part of the Salt Lake City region’s “Silicon Slope,” one of several regional offshoots of Silicon Valley.

Going off on a tangent, this is really dumb. It’s not an “offshoot” of Silicon Valley. It’s a distant, unrelated region that happens to also have a tech industry. Are Austin, Seattle, and Portland also “offshoots” of Silicon Valley? How about New York? Zurich?

Re: Hype and plunder: Domo a new low for self-indulgent IPOs

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Why isn't something like buying goods and services from a company you (or your brother) own with investor money illegal? Unless I'm missing a reason why that would be ok, that should be criminal?

And then I don't understand the link between founder control and unethical behaviour. I've seen plenty of cases of corruption in investor-controlled companies. The article doesn't even attempt to make a concrete connection despite implying it over and over.

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