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Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by Someone1234 »

CiaranMcNulty wrote: post #6
danso wrote: post #4

I imagine this policy would have to be different for those in the UK, right? I thought I had read that the Data Protection Act (of 1998) forced companies to send data in situations they would not for other countries: https://www.gov.uk/respond-data-protection-request > Under data protection law, anyone can ask if your organisation holds personal information about them - you must respond to their request as soon as po…

Crash data is not necessarily Personally Identifiable Information

You added the word "Identifiable." The DPA isn't limited to just that.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by berdon »

What use would this type of data be to the average consumer? Outside of the obvious question of ownership and argument of who owns the data - isn't this otherwise very similar to being in a plane crash and demanding the black box data? Surely the data, itself, isn't very helpful compared to the analysis of the data?

Note: My question is in no way trying to argue against the consumer owning the data. I'm just wondering how this kind of data could be useful without access to the means to analyze it.

Edit: Not sure why all the down votes. I explicitly tried to indicate I was asking a question about the data value and avoiding the ownership question. I, personally, think the data should be the device owner's property. But my opinion on ownership and my question wasn't related to the ownership.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by JBReefer »

adrianN wrote: post #7
pgeorgi wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean GDPR?

No, I mean all data, not just PII. If a Nest measures the temperature in my house I want to own those data points.

I get your point but I think arguing information about the state of your home is PII would be fairly straightforward.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by danso »

berdon wrote: post #13

What use would this type of data be to the average consumer? Outside of the obvious question of ownership and argument of who owns the data - isn't this otherwise very similar to being in a plane crash and demanding the black box data? Surely the data, itself, isn't very helpful compared to the analysis of the data? Note: My question is in no way trying to argue against the consumer owning the data. I'm just wonderin…

In the cases mentioned, it's not the "average consumer", but the owners who get into crashes and who presumably have a great incentive to figure out what's needed to analyze the data.

It's not as if there's only one objective way to analyze the data.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by kalms »

berdon wrote: post #13

What use would this type of data be to the average consumer? Outside of the obvious question of ownership and argument of who owns the data - isn't this otherwise very similar to being in a plane crash and demanding the black box data? Surely the data, itself, isn't very helpful compared to the analysis of the data? Note: My question is in no way trying to argue against the consumer owning the data. I'm just wonderin…

You don't usually own the plane that crashed. Unless if you're Elon Musk of course.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by pc86 »

JBReefer wrote: post #14
adrianN wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I mean all data, not just PII. If a Nest measures the temperature in my house I want to own those data points.

I get your point but I think arguing information about the state of your home is PII would be fairly straightforward.

Then pick any non-PII data point you like.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by teddyh »

dfxm12 wrote: post #5
adrianN wrote: post #2

Can we make a law that all data collected by devices that I bought belongs to me? Yes, that includes everything the websites I visit send back to the mothership.

If that law gets passed, you'll no longer "own" the device you bought that collects that data, but will be granted a license to use it.

When computers were new, IBM would not sell computers to customers, but rent them out. Since most people nowadays seem to pay for cell phones, tablets, etc. in monthly installments and “need” to get a new model as soon as the one they have is fully paid off, I’m sure a jump to leasing/renting devices is a very small one in practice.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by thierryzoller »

CiaranMcNulty wrote: post #6
danso wrote: post #4

I imagine this policy would have to be different for those in the UK, right? I thought I had read that the Data Protection Act (of 1998) forced companies to send data in situations they would not for other countries: https://www.gov.uk/respond-data-protection-request > Under data protection law, anyone can ask if your organisation holds personal information about them - you must respond to their request as soon as po…

Crash data is not necessarily Personally Identifiable Information

PII is a term coined in the US
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