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The Cost of Developers

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Re: The Cost of Developers

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In SV maybe. I have been developing mostly new WPF enterprise applications in the last 4 years and there is plenty of work across European business.

I've been on the opposite coast in a major metro system for the last 20 years. I've been an "Enterprise Developer" for the last 10. The number of companies that are wanting new programs that are not either web or mobile based is slim.

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Re: The Cost of Developers

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In my view it's a longer term proposition to gain more customers for Azure/Microsoft Cloud. Google, Microsoft, and Amazon all see the future of computing as being in the cloud. If Microsoft can integrate Azure and GitHub to make it easier for developers to deploy and run their code in the cloud, then that means more Azure customers. This likely means that GCP and AWS integrations will take second place.

They already do so. They had a joint presentation at BUILD 2018, how to have a full CI/CD pipeline in Azure, with code taken from Github. Now in retrospective, maybe the talks were already ongoing.

To be fair though, that sort of thing has already been very possible for anyone with the desire and engineering resources. The only thing those types of demonstrations and announcements tend to actually do is announce/release a tool that does most of the legwork for you.

Re: The Cost of Developers

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Yes. My goal is also to make money as well as most other developers. Would you suggest I turn the focus of my career back to writing Win32 API based apps or WPF or UWP apps? Where are all of these companies that are making money selling Windows apps? Where all of the jobs for Windows desktop developers?

In the place of myth and legend: outside of SV. I know, it's crazy.

Name some companies making any substantial money selling Windows desktop apps besides Microsoft and Adobe?

Again games don't count, they aren't for the most part developing "Windows apps" they are developing apps on top of game engines.

Re: The Cost of Developers

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They could have easily become a formidable competitor to Atlassian if they extended their offering beyond just code hosting. Competing with Atlassian is actually not that hard considering how bad Atlassian is at times (I'm a customer myself). Atlassian today has a market cap of 15B. There's a lot of growth opportunities if you have >20m users.

Agree. There are some easy project management wins for Github. It’s flabbergasting that they’ve ignored them. Issue complexity and time estimates. Burn downs. Github is only part way there, why not get all the way?

Sometimes it's worth it to stick to what you're good at.

If Github burnt a ton of cash to try and compete with Jira, ended up making a product that didn't attract enough people over at the same time as ignoring problems that users were already grumbling about, this could have led to them being in a worse state and easier for MS to pick up on the cheap.

Re: The Cost of Developers

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Yes. My goal is also to make money as well as most other developers. Would you suggest I turn the focus of my career back to writing Win32 API based apps or WPF or UWP apps? Where are all of these companies that are making money selling Windows apps? Where all of the jobs for Windows desktop developers?

In the place of myth and legend: outside of SV. I know, it's crazy.

Sarcasm: 'Overwhelming'

Re: The Cost of Developers

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There are times when I really like the thoughtful analysis on Stratechery and there are other times when I think it's a complete pile of detached-from-reality horsesh!t. Today is of the 2nd kind. What it also has is a potentially fatal weakness: no platform with user-based leverage. Sorry, what? Windows still has > 90% market share on desktop. If that isn't "user-based leverage" I don't know what is. This, by the way…

Sorry, what? Windows still has > 90% market share on desktop. If that isn't "user-based leverage" I don't know what is. In the grand scheme of things. No one cares about desktop development. Walk into a VCs office and tell them that you have the next great idea for a Windows app and watch how fast you get laughed out of the office. How many developers are going to flock to writing Windows apps? As much as I hate it,…

VCs only invest in “startups”, i.e. companies which can be very big very fast, and can be sold for lots of money. This does not mean that every other form of company or product is irrelevant.

Re: The Cost of Developers

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I think you'd be surprised how few companies that aren't SV startups actually give a damn about the cloud. "Oh, you want to charge me a subscription to use software I already own and host all my data and critical infrastructure somewhere where I don't have direct control over it? And it costs more? Where do I sign up!?"

This is disingenuous, the big software outfits have entire teams of people to ensure their price points are reflective of existing market offerings. They'll raise prices when they can, and slightly lower them when they're looking to make a play like this. Nothing about the cloud makes this dance any different, we're still using the same steps and beat, just to an internet jukebox.

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Re: The Cost of Developers

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I've been on the opposite coast in a major metro system for the last 20 years. I've been an "Enterprise Developer" for the last 10. The number of companies that are wanting new programs that are not either web or mobile based is slim.

The focus of Google making ChromeOS desktop friendly with Android native apps, and exposing the underlying GNU/Linux userspace shows they see pressure in desktop market. Another example is how across Europe, Windows 10 2-1 convertibles are basically wiping out Android tablets at consumer stores.

The focus of Google making ChromeOS desktop friendly with Android native apps, and exposing the underlying GNU/Linux userspace shows they see pressure in desktop market.

That has nothing to do with the statement that no one cares about Windows desktop development. All of the energy in the software space is web and mobile. Google wants to leverage the Android market - which dwarfs the install based of desktops to make Chrome OS more appealing. Apple just announced they are doing something similar - porting iOS frameworks to MacOS to make it easier for iOS developers to write Mac apps. No one would ever say that the Mac desktop market is vibrant.

Another example is how across Europe, Windows 10 2-1 convertibles are basically wiping out Android tablets at consumer stores.

Android tablets are horrible experiences. What are most people doing with thier desktop computers? Using the web and the same apps from the big companies - Microsoft and Adobe.

Re: The Cost of Developers

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Sorry, what? Windows still has > 90% market share on desktop. If that isn't "user-based leverage" I don't know what is. In the grand scheme of things. No one cares about desktop development. Walk into a VCs office and tell them that you have the next great idea for a Windows app and watch how fast you get laughed out of the office. How many developers are going to flock to writing Windows apps? As much as I hate it,…

VCs only invest in “startups”, i.e. companies which can be very big very fast, and can be sold for lots of money. This does not mean that every other form of company or product is irrelevant.

If you had a great idea for a non game piece of software, what market would you target? Windows, Web, or mobile?

Where are all of the mythical profitable companies making commercial desktop software? Where are all the companies making new internal line of business desktop software?

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