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Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by kthejoker2 »

aphextron wrote: post #488
sequoia wrote: post #389

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What if? What if I run an operating system project, IDE project, email client, etc.? MSFT is going to steal or shutdown every type of software that competes with one of their products? Doesn't add up to me.

>"What if? What if I run an operating system project, IDE project, email client, etc.? MSFT is going to steal or shutdown every type of software that competes with one of their products?" Doesn't add up to me. It doesn't matter. The "what if?" is enough to cause a chilling effect. This will be the effective death of GitHub. I'm certain projects that are all-in on the platform will stick around out of momentum. But ye…

Ridiculous. Please define "anyone" and "major project" and then let's make a bet.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by kthejoker2 »

wpietri wrote: post #559
glenstein wrote: post #490

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>What one CEO does, another can undo. I completely agree with that as a general principle, and I don't disagree with anything you've said outside of this quote. But are you suggesting that Nadella is going to leave Microsoft anytime soon?

No, but he's not immortal. He could get hit by a bus tomorrow. The median CEO in the Fortune 500 lasts only 5 years or so, and he's already in year 4.

Probably want to adjust that metric for stock price ...

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by jacquesm »

debaserab2 wrote: post #191
fosco wrote: post #158

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personally, I really like the performance of 'skype for business' but maybe I am in the minority there. all of the tools and integration with outlook is pretty smooth...

Skype and performance are two words that don't ever belong in the same sentence.

It could have the word 'bad' somewhere in the middle.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by teh_klev »

marssaxman wrote: post #234
teh_klev wrote: post #88

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Folks tend to forget about Scott Guthrie (and Scott Hanselman, Rob Conery, Scott Galloway and a few other unsung heros) and the change he seeded within MS's DevDiv about moving to a more open culture back around 2005/6.

Don't know about that; I worked for DevDiv in 2008-2009 and it was the most spectacularly dysfunctional island of not-invented-here inefficiency I have ever seen at any point in my career. They imagined the tech world to consist of Microsoft at the center, where all the smart people were, surrounded by an ecosystem of ISVs, all of whom wished they could work for Microsoft instead if only they were a little bit smarte…

Oh listen I recognise your pain. I've known a few good folk who headed off to Redmond back in the early to mid 2000's only to return shortly thereafter completely disillusioned. I think Guthrie was well aware of this problem and began to slowly turn things around bit by bit.

Just to tack on a convenient anecdote...apparently the original ASP.NET MVC code was written by Guthrie....on a flight, this is the earliest evidence I can find of this:

https://www.hanselman.com/blog/ScottGuMVCPresentationAndScot...

I also forgot to include Phil Haack who back then was also part of that gang that began steering the DevDiv ship to brighter shores.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by lioeters »

p2t2p wrote: post #228
bdcravens wrote: post #185

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Any reason why you implicitly trust Atlassian?

The reason you can trust Atlassian a bit more because they have more narrow focus on dev tools so less chances that they could become a competitor. Unless you’re developing another (git/bit)(hub/lab/bucket)

Seeing potential in the unused combinations: GitBucket, BitHub, BitLab.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by brynjolf »

kthejoker2 wrote: post #600
rendaw wrote: post #567

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Contrarily, all I've seen is people making quantified statements of support. What I haven't seen is a moralistic rejection. Microsoft tried to kill Windows gaming, they tried to kill Linux, they tried to kill Firefox, and countless other things. Their operating system design is nearly abusive and even their open source development (tracking, licensing) has been lined with traps. I want nothing more than for them to d…

This deal's really turned into a Rorschach test! Treating large companies as Manichean monolithic entities is unhealthy. Microsoft like every large company has bright spots and dim spots, good leaders and bad leaders, good ideas and bad ones. They're complex and so your relationship with them should be, too. As an argument, this comment is terribly myopic and naive. As a mirror it's fascinating.

Companies exist to make profit. As long as that is their purpose they have no interest in me as a person and I shouldn't have an interest in them as a large group of individuals. If t would be called an abusive relationship of it was real humans. It would be like a pimp and his lady, he has a genuine interest in her as longnas she is earning money, none when she doesn't. I know USA says that legally speaking corporations are people but I don't believe it for one second.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by aerique »

est wrote: post #468
trynewideas wrote: post #195

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I'm more interested in how companies with private repos on GitHub react.

Did you know Gitlab.com was hosted on Azure?

GitLab was migrating to the Google Cloud Platform: https://about.gitlab.com/2018/04/05/gke-gitlab-integration/

I do not know whether this migration has finished.

More links:

- http://fortune.com/2016/11/14/gitlab-cloud-storage/

- https://venturebeat.com/2018/04/06/why-and-how-gitlab-abando...

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by sdhgaiojfsa »

will4274 wrote: post #354
sdhgaiojfsa wrote: post #344

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> MS is one of the biggest open source contributors nowadays. Really? For its size? It seems like Google, Apple, and Facebook are all much more productive in OSS. The only open source Microsoft product I'm aware of using is VS Code. To my understanding, they haven't open sourced Edge, their JS engine, their compiler, their word processors, or really anything else of note. I guess I can give them a little credit for .…

> their JS engine https://github.com/Microsoft/ChakraCore > their compiler Microsoft makes half a dozen compilers, for as many languages: https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn https://github.com/fsharp/fsharp https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell The only one that I know of that is closed is C++. > anything else of note https://github.com/Microsoft/GVFS https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/microsoft-joins-the-linux-...

I stand corrected, thanks! I still have a sense that they are rather less proportionately open source than those other companies, but less so than before.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by baldfat »

executesorder66 wrote: post #595
baldfat wrote: post #509

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I'm closer to 50 and certainly not a teenager. Yes, Steve was the issue and his style was old fashion. There is no going back once you open up the shed. Why do people continue to want to punish a company for their past when their present has been so good? To keep punishing them and not rewarding them for their good deeds? P.S. I thought the whole anti-OpenSUSE movement was also plain old stupid.

> their present has been so good - Putting adverts directly into their OS (which people pay for by the way) - Forcing their shitty updates, (and restarts) at the most inconvenient times - making it impossible to permanently and easily turn off telemetry Wow, you have low standards. I bet if you ate dog shit, you'd say it's not so bad.

So Windows 10 isn't leaps and bounds better than Windows 7 or Windows 98???? Seriously Windows 10 is the first Windows I have ever actually liked. I got my OpenSUSE terminal open and using ranger and my other terminal programs working in Windows (At work I have to have Windows due to many issues on one computer)

> Forcing their shitty updates, (and restarts) at the most inconvenient times

Weird I have a pop up that says there is an update coming and when do I want to schedule it....

>Putting adverts directly into their OS (which people pay for by the way)

Didn't care for it and I hit the disable on 3 switches

> making it impossible to permanently and easily turn off telemetry

They did push out an update over a year ago that makes it so you don't have to use the tools that were out since 2015. Telemetry was specific for Inside program and beta but I certainly see why people were freaking out. I looked at what was being collected and it seemed fine for me.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by codingdave »

daly wrote: post #555

I read a lot of comments claiming that MS "used to be a bad actor" but, of course, they now "care about developers and open source". Developers, they say, are the very lifeblood of the new Microsoft. "We respect developers." I work on Windows 10. It is normal for me to have many programs open while I do development along with dozens of web pages containing information I need. Days worth of "state" are stacked on the…

Settings -> Windows Update -> Restart Options: Off
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