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Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by com2kid »

electronvolt wrote: post #286
hirsin wrote: post #279

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Not entirely true. Microsoft puts (almost? Yet to find anything that isn't) all our code on VSTS which is accessible remotely, without VPN. I've checked in a (very very minor docs) fix to the Windows code base from my Android phone over LTE.

Yeah, which is hosted on Azure, a data center that Microsoft owns and employs guards for, and secured behind our standard corporate authentication. :) (Source: I work at Microsoft, near the VSTS team.)

> Yeah, which is hosted on Azure, a data center that Microsoft owns and employs guards for, and secured behind our standard corporate authentication. :)

Way back when, Microsoft used to host a bunch of auth servers for banks. A friend of mine mentioned an armed guard in front of the data center for that particular service.

I've worked on teams at MS where there was a (non-armed) guard checking everyone who got off the elevator, but before I joined MS I was once left alone in a room full of computers open to the Windows source tree, wearing my "do not leave guest unattended" badge.

Mileage might vary and all that.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by com2kid »

SwellJoe wrote: post #410
apk-d wrote: post #381

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The 2018 Stack Overflow Developer Survey [1] puts VSCode at almost double the number of developers compared to Atom (34.9% vs 18%). You're right about the package count: atom.io lists 7654 packages, compared to 6802 at marketplace.visualstudio.com, many of those being color themes (some seem generated and machine-published, too). That said, workflow for extension authoring in VSCode is amazing, the community is very…

Wow, that's surprising. VSCode is not just (far) ahead of Atom, it's the leader on that survey. I'll have to give it another look. Last time I used it, it had far too many annoying characteristics.

> VSCode is not just (far) ahead of Atom,

Tutorial eco-system as well. When I jumped into JS development, all the getting started guides had Install VSCode as step 1.

So now I use VSCode.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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ericabiz wrote: post #7

I’m going to be a bit contrarian to “the sky is falling” posts on HN and say: I think Microsoft is handling this really well. 1) They’ve acknowledged the skepticism around the acquisition. 2) They’ve expressed their commitment to keep GitHub an independent platform (like they did with LinkedIn.) 3) Nat Friedman, although I was not familiar with him prior to this, seems like an ideal candidate to run GitHub. This, ove…

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Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by softwaredoug »

ericabiz wrote: post #7

I’m going to be a bit contrarian to “the sky is falling” posts on HN and say: I think Microsoft is handling this really well. 1) They’ve acknowledged the skepticism around the acquisition. 2) They’ve expressed their commitment to keep GitHub an independent platform (like they did with LinkedIn.) 3) Nat Friedman, although I was not familiar with him prior to this, seems like an ideal candidate to run GitHub. This, ove…

They could be angels, this can still be harmful to devs. We could still be concerned about all of tech consolidating under 4-5 anticompetitive companies

On that basis alone, not sure how anyone can cheer this acquisition

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by nickpsecurity »

damieng wrote: post #405
sequoia wrote: post #389

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What if? What if I run an operating system project, IDE project, email client, etc.? MSFT is going to steal or shutdown every type of software that competes with one of their products? Doesn't add up to me.

The amount Microsoft would have to lose - in courts and public trust - if they were to abuse the private sensitive data held in their systems - would massively outweigh any benefit they could hope to achieve from that information.

That's already been tested:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-...

They're still in business. Numbers look good. They also have advertising and telemetry on paid stuff that people would usually assume doesn't sell them out like free, ad-driven services. Windows, Office, and Xbox are valuable enough that customers will tolerate quite a lot before leaving.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by jodrellblank »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #303
snowwolf wrote: post #21

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I’ve seen many acquisitions commit to 2) only to slowly walk back from that “in the interests of operational efficiencies”. And next thing you know you have to change over to using a Microsoft account to log in...

I actually just made a bet with a friend on whether or not they'd switch GitHub over to Microsoft logins. My strong bet (that I put money behind) is that they won't. They're specifically acquiring this to win over developers and community, and they should hopefully know from the Skype transition how much negative perception that granted them. Their absolute best bet is to sit on GitHub, feed it money, offer the paid…

Microsoft has you use a Microsoft account to sign into Windows itself; I think they will merge Github in somehow. They might be trying to win over developers, but they'll want to cross-sell to MS ecosystem developers as well.

Starting with "any existing Microsoft account is now a valid Github login". Then maybe "you can more easily use VS (or VS Code) with Github and deploy to Azure, if you use a Microsoft account with Github" and "you can merge your Github account into your Microsoft account". Then "all new accounts on Github are Microsoft accounts, you can no longer make a separate one".

Whether they go all the way to "there's no such thing as a separate Github account anymore", not soon, but probably one day - they've been trying to centralize accounts between all their services for years and years, haven't they?

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by brett40324 »

HelloNurse wrote: post #365
ljm wrote: post #264

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I've felt similar. There's been some impressive innovation from MS in the dev space recently: VS Code is a pleasure to use, Azure wasn't quite as intimidating as AWS can be (but who can blame them, AWS has a lot more legacy). Windows 10 was pleasant to work with, telemetry issues aside. Things are shifting. In fact, I think there's a strong 'once a criminal, always a criminal' mentality that takes a healthy skepticis…

Microsoft has been embracing and extending Git for a while, and now they have bought captive users who are going to use whatever Microsoft tells them to use just to keep their code on Github and avoid a difficult migration. They clearly have greater ambitions than increasing Visual Studio sales. For example, what about forced integration of LinkedIn with personal Github repositories?

Okay, this is my greatest concern with Linkedin and Github. For many (most?) dev job applications, not having a 'ticks all boxes' profile on both sites means pass on initial callback; and now MS controls both. What they purchased for so much $$ is industry branding mindshare.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by com2kid »

trynewideas wrote: post #195
Klathmon wrote: post #64

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I agree, my biggest concerns are: 1. What is happening to Atom? I have tried VS code and don't really like it due to the difference in how the 2 systems are designed to work (Atom being more "plugins are king", VSCode being more "kitchen sink included by first-party"). I'd hate to see my favorite editor lose it's major backing. If MS makes a commitment to continue to develop Atom, or they work with someone else to "t…

I'm more interested in how companies with private repos on GitHub react.

Companies that complete with MS still use Windows, Sharepoint, Office 365, and OneDrive.

Microsoft isn't going to go around snooping competitors' source code any more than they are going to go around snooping competitors' email.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by maire »

rmason wrote: post #308
politician wrote: post #233

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Ah yes, Apache Foundation, the place where ambitious but under-resourced projects go to die. /s

I've got a few friends that are still very involved in the Flex community which is now at the Apache foundation. Adobe if I remember correctly is still funding staffers to work on Flex many years later. I believe Flex is either the second or third most successful project at Apache in terms of downloads.

RE> I believe Flex is either the second or third most successful project at Apache in terms of downloads.

How can that be given that Adobe is killing the flash runtime?

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