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Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by alkonaut »

ptx wrote: post #253
bgongfu wrote: post #63

I'm split on this one. I lived through Microsoft's dark ages, when the victory of open source was still hanging by a thread. The reason we're seeing a softer Microsoft is that they lost, they were forced to change. And the open question is what they learned in the process. On the other hand, they're producing pretty decent software these days; dotNet Core, TypeScript & VSCode just to name a few solid projects. Open s…

Your positives are more closely linked to your negatives than you might think: Microsoft's open source projects are actually working to bring those endless privacy intrusions over from Windows so you can enjoy them on other systems as well – .NET Core and VS Code will collect and send your data to Microsoft by default, without bothering to ask for your permission.

Core tells me very clearly right on the command line that it collects usage stats, and which env var to set to disable that. The only identifiable data it sends is a Mac hash. The whole thing is developed in the open. I really fail to see why people are (that) upset about it.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by hesk »

SiVal wrote: post #244
cobookman wrote: post #200

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I think public code will still live on github, but I See FAANG 100% avoiding any private github repos from now on.

Bigger tech companies not only do not host important private source code on Github but won't even host on outsourced physical servers. Where I've worked (incl. well-known names), information that we wanted spread to the world could be hosted on trusted external systems (trust still mattered to keep it from being "edited"), but non-public info was always hosted inside a physical building that we owned watched 24/7 by…

Github offers an enterprise version and I know of at least one big company which hosts their code there.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by electronvolt »

shubb wrote: post #375
SiVal wrote: post #304

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That's amazing. Contrast that to my friend who works on code at Apple that's so guarded that he can't even access it from Apple HQ. He has to travel to his office in an unmarked Apple bldg several miles from HQ (in an unmarked van) and access the code from inside the bldg. Any attempt to work on his code outside that bldg, on the Apple employee shuttle for example, will result in immediate firing with possible crimin…

This sounds proportionate if a state might go after the code. For example phone encryption might be a big prize for the Chinese or even American government. Microsoft actually hand over OS code to states regularly for certain contracts so I figure they don't need to protect most of thier code like that.

I disagree. Phone encryption should ideally be open source-able and it's security should rely as entirely on a device specific key as possible.

I think this makes more sense for a secret project (e.x. the next iPhone), but honestly as a security person it seems overkill for anything outside national security responsible code, like state sponsored malware.

I also find it strange that the code is apparently somehow accessible outside that building (see the fired comment). If this was anything beyond security theatre, it'd be on an airgapped network and that wouldn't even be a concern (as the employee wouldn't be able to access the code from their laptop). Seems excessive for very little gain.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by oaiey »

fs111 wrote: post #339
oaiey wrote: post #165

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The Microsoft bashing is painful. I also wonder about outcomes like that, positive ones for Microsoft, GitHub the platform and GitHub the community. So much negativity!

The negativity comes from MS being MS. Many here have seen what they did in the past and what they do to this day. They have lobbied so hard in Munich that they are going to abandon Linux and go back to Windows. Great open source love all around! Also, as long as Windows, Office and Azure are closed, I cannot take all this "we love Open Source" stuff seriously. It is a big tech-marketing and recruiting vehicle, but n…

Their sales is doing what sales does: try to find a method to sell licenses. That has nothing to do with company philosophy but the percentage the sales person get. That is capitalism but nothing special to Microsoft.

And Limux was a troubled child anyway (users, it organization and political leadership all along).

I would have loved Limux to succeed, but unfortunately it did not.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by damieng »

sequoia wrote: post #389
jonny_eh wrote: post #360

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What if you run a recruitment web app that competes with LinkedIn?

What if? What if I run an operating system project, IDE project, email client, etc.? MSFT is going to steal or shutdown every type of software that competes with one of their products? Doesn't add up to me.

The amount Microsoft would have to lose - in courts and public trust - if they were to abuse the private sensitive data held in their systems - would massively outweigh any benefit they could hope to achieve from that information.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by rwhitman »

I'm curious if there are any unforeseen legal implications in having the world's largest software company acquiring the private repositories of a massive number of smaller software companies, including independent competitors to MS.

MS now has the capability to not only snoop on smaller competitors' IP but gain visibility into their dev team composition, work habits, pipeline etc.

This acquisition smells like something that could get litigated to hell and back, though I'd assume they've already prepared for that

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by alkonaut »

bad_user wrote: post #13

So I’m kind of depressed about this. I loved GitHub enough that I paid for a subscription without needing it and have all of my public work on it and my investment in OSS is quite significant. People saying that it is easy to migrate don’t know what they are talking about. GitHub isn’t just Git hosting, but a social network of open source developers and projects. You can’t migrate stars, issues with comments and the…

One should consider the alternatives. It’s not like Github was going to be run like Wikipedia. It was going to be a Google/Oracle/Amazon/Apple/Microsoft purchase, and to be honest Microsoft is the least scary in that bunch.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by bengrunfeld »

Github always felt like holy ground - neutral territory. But now that’s out the window. Google cannot host their software with Microsoft. Neither can Amazon or Facebook. It’s too much power for one company to hold. I understand the Mergers and Acquisitions have shredded the US economy, creating oligolopolies in every industry, but it hurts to see it happen to the one place I truly cared about - to have that option of neutrality stripped from you. What absolute A-holes they are for doing this.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by sdesol »

Merad wrote: post #384
sdesol wrote: post #372

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I think Microsoft can really help GitHub in the Enterprise space. Imagine GitHub being able to offer GitHub Enterprise for free for the first 10 users. Imagine being able to discount GitHub Enterprise heavily.

I'm really curious what will happen with GitHub Enterprise. Doesn't it compete in the same space as VSTS/TFS?

I guess the question is who will hurt the most. Will this hurt non microsoft products more or less. Microsoft might want to funnel people to their cloud and sacrificing tfs might make sense.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by SwellJoe »

apk-d wrote: post #381
SwellJoe wrote: post #340

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This sounds entirely anecdotal. I haven't seen any significant exodus from Atom to VSCode among people I interact with. It seems like folks moving from other editors are about as likely to choose Atom as VSCode, and the things that used to lead to people choosing one or the other (i.e. performance, VSCode only opening one project at a time, the stupid huge icon bar in VSCode, etc.) have been resolved...Atom is now re…

The 2018 Stack Overflow Developer Survey [1] puts VSCode at almost double the number of developers compared to Atom (34.9% vs 18%). You're right about the package count: atom.io lists 7654 packages, compared to 6802 at marketplace.visualstudio.com, many of those being color themes (some seem generated and machine-published, too). That said, workflow for extension authoring in VSCode is amazing, the community is very…

Wow, that's surprising. VSCode is not just (far) ahead of Atom, it's the leader on that survey. I'll have to give it another look. Last time I used it, it had far too many annoying characteristics.
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