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Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by apk-d »

SwellJoe wrote: post #340
sequoia wrote: post #259

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> Atom I could be wrong but my perception is that Atom is losing market share to VSCode all on its own– new devs are much more likely to adopt vscode & no growth ~= decline for an editor. Couple that with the fact that no one pays for Atom... IMO They don't need to "kill" atom, they just need to wait a couple years, at which point it will just Yet Another Editor down the list with TextWrangler et al., if the next Ato…

This sounds entirely anecdotal. I haven't seen any significant exodus from Atom to VSCode among people I interact with. It seems like folks moving from other editors are about as likely to choose Atom as VSCode, and the things that used to lead to people choosing one or the other (i.e. performance, VSCode only opening one project at a time, the stupid huge icon bar in VSCode, etc.) have been resolved...Atom is now re…

The 2018 Stack Overflow Developer Survey [1] puts VSCode at almost double the number of developers compared to Atom (34.9% vs 18%). You're right about the package count: atom.io lists 7654 packages, compared to 6802 at marketplace.visualstudio.com, many of those being color themes (some seem generated and machine-published, too). That said, workflow for extension authoring in VSCode is amazing, the community is very much alive, and sometimes it almost feels like there's an "extension for everything". Quality may vary, naturally.

[1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018/

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by hnzix »

fosco wrote: post #158
aldanor wrote: post #130

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Remember Skype? That wasn’t in 80-90s...

personally, I really like the performance of 'skype for business' but maybe I am in the minority there. all of the tools and integration with outlook is pretty smooth...

"Skype" for business isn't even Skype code. It's Lync with a sticker slapped over the top.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by bacongobbler »

cma wrote: post #96
CaliforniaKarl wrote: post #14

+1 for the outreach. They definitely lost control of the announcement, since it got out yesterday. The nice thing about it is, everyone who keeps their Git repo up-to-date (and who has the transfer.fsckobjects setting set to true) has a complete copy of the Git repo. And GitHub provides APIs to pull other stuff. I think the hardest thing to move would be sites on GitHub Pages. So, since I can pull out relatively easi…

What's missing without transfer.fsckobjects ?

https://git-scm.com/docs/git-config/1.7.9.3#git-config-fetch...

My interpretation is that transfer.fsckObjects just checks that all of the fetched objects are properly formed and contain no broken links. I cannot confirm whether or not this fetches any extra objects from the remote; this is the first time I've heard about this feature.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by Merad »

sdesol wrote: post #372
surye wrote: post #337

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If you look at how the Xamarin acquisition went, this seems like a likely outcome.

I think Microsoft can really help GitHub in the Enterprise space. Imagine GitHub being able to offer GitHub Enterprise for free for the first 10 users. Imagine being able to discount GitHub Enterprise heavily.

I'm really curious what will happen with GitHub Enterprise. Doesn't it compete in the same space as VSTS/TFS?

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by ljm »

ben509 wrote: post #290
ljm wrote: post #264

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I've felt similar. There's been some impressive innovation from MS in the dev space recently: VS Code is a pleasure to use, Azure wasn't quite as intimidating as AWS can be (but who can blame them, AWS has a lot more legacy). Windows 10 was pleasant to work with, telemetry issues aside. Things are shifting. In fact, I think there's a strong 'once a criminal, always a criminal' mentality that takes a healthy skepticis…

> It's an unreasonable standard and if nothing else, it presents the self-fulfilling prophecy where you're only satisfied once you've found proof that Microsoft today hasn't changed at all. That's a good general point; if you find you dislike someone's POV or behavior, and you're not simply being tribalistic, you should be thinking along the lines of, "what do I want this person / group to do differently?"

It's the negative winning out over the positive. If you genuinely want things to get better you have to stop thinking about how they won't.

If you can't, you're part of the reason why things won't improve. You want your negativity (or your ego) to be proven right.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by mcolyer »

I'm a GitHub employee (previously a founder of Easel S12 and Flagr W06) and work now in the Product group on the Marketplace. I'm excited to see Nat's commitment to developers and our community. This news doesn't change our resolve towards building a platform that allows our Ecosystem to thrive.

We launched Marketplace just over a year ago and continue to heavily invest in it. We want it to become the place that any entrepreneur in the software space is able able to grow their own successful business. We're just at the beginning of that journey.

Looking forward to what's to come and to seeing more developer tools thrive on our Marketplace.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by wolco »

kbumsik wrote: post #161
Klathmon wrote: post #64

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I agree, my biggest concerns are: 1. What is happening to Atom? I have tried VS code and don't really like it due to the difference in how the 2 systems are designed to work (Atom being more "plugins are king", VSCode being more "kitchen sink included by first-party"). I'd hate to see my favorite editor lose it's major backing. If MS makes a commitment to continue to develop Atom, or they work with someone else to "t…

> What is happening to Atom? Since they said Github will remain independent, so Atom will, I think. Maybe I'm too optimistic but when I think about VSCode's business model, promoting Azure rather than selling the editor itself, they have no reason to kill Atom. They might be integrating Azure with Atom.

This is exactly what they will do. Make it easier to connect to azure. It might just work.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by aembleton »

themusicgod1 wrote: post #258
foobaw wrote: post #148

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Google and Facebook have tons of private repositories hosted on GitHub. I'd imagine it would be illegal for Microsoft to look into them but Microsoft being such a huge company, this acquisition could easily make Google and Facebook nervous.

...look into / lock / delete them. This gives microsoft the ability to all but stop work at companies who use private repos who compete with them, and/or delete critical repositories. Hope those companies have backups.

Surely, every developer will have a backup because it is Git. Unless they're only cloning part of the history.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by sequoia »

jonny_eh wrote: post #360
sequoia wrote: post #316

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Are you suggesting MSFT is going to _steal people's code_ from private github repositories? This strikes me as a bit fantastical. What software hosting platform is not also itself a software company? Atlassian, Gitlab...?

What if you run a recruitment web app that competes with LinkedIn?

What if? What if I run an operating system project, IDE project, email client, etc.? MSFT is going to steal or shutdown every type of software that competes with one of their products?

Doesn't add up to me.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by DoofusOfDeath »

luckydata wrote: post #311
l5870uoo9y wrote: post #124

> GitHub will operate independently as a community, platform, and business. Had Github been bought by an foundation operating outside the confides of the market, then such statement would have been believable. Microsoft will naturally use Github maximise its wealth, thus when disagreements arise then Microsoft will put its will through. It is of course easy to imagine ways Github could be used by Microsoft, fore inst…

I work for Linkedin, MS is very respectful of our independence (sometimes in puzzling ways). It's kinda painful and annoying to read about all the negativity and tinfoil hat theories but that's the price to pay (I guess) and we'll see what happens. Microsoft has every interest in playing nice with the community and everything to lose from trying to do anything hostile to it.

> It's kinda painful and annoying to read about all the negativity

I can imagine. You may wish to switch employers.

> and tinfoil hat theories

Are you saying that all complaints about MS conduct are delusional?

> Microsoft has every interest in playing nice with the community and everything to lose from trying to do anything hostile to it.

So let's have a candid discussion about telemetry. Or sneaky Windows 10 upgrades. Or vague patent threats.

I'm sorry, but few software developers who follow Microsoft's actions will accept you crying martyr.

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