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Re: Hello, GitHub

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Instead of hollow frustration, you should try explaining what your actual issue with that is.

The issue is that I've been hearing that phrase at every interview from every candidate, on a lot of blogposts and presentations. It's a cheap and uncreative way to get under someone's skin.

Yes, their goal was to get under our skin.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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> thought of open source as a form of cancer, vocally talked against it Not that I deny it, because can you point me to some examples of this?

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_...

Ahaha!

Him today: "I may have called Linux a cancer but now I love it"

https://www.zdnet.com/article/ballmer-i-may-have-called-linu...

If you can't beat them, join them.

Honestly though, Microsoft was beat into submission here. Developers and applications (in general) are moving to Linux. Microsoft has no leverage. Sure, buying GitHub may be seen as obtaining leverage, but I think it's clear that you can't strong-arm FOSS sustainably. Free and open is built in.

Re: Hello, GitHub

#73
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I’m going to be a bit contrarian to “the sky is falling” posts on HN and say: I think Microsoft is handling this really well. 1) They’ve acknowledged the skepticism around the acquisition. 2) They’ve expressed their commitment to keep GitHub an independent platform (like they did with LinkedIn.) 3) Nat Friedman, although I was not familiar with him prior to this, seems like an ideal candidate to run GitHub. This, ove…

>2) They’ve expressed their commitment to keep GitHub an independent platform (like they did with LinkedIn.) >3) Nat Friedman, although I was not familiar with him prior to this, seems like an ideal candidate to run GitHub. Nat seems like a decent candidate for GitHub CEO, but i'm having trouble reconciling Microsoft's commitment to keeping GitHub an independent platform with their installing a new CEO. that's not re…

Chris, the current CEO, was looking for his own replacement.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2017/08/17/github-ce...

The fact that he is now a technical fellow, it seems to me that this is the ideal outcome for all the parties involved.

Re: Hello, GitHub

#74
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I’ve seen many acquisitions commit to 2) only to slowly walk back from that “in the interests of operational efficiencies”. And next thing you know you have to change over to using a Microsoft account to log in...

What would be wrong having a Microsoft account to log in exactly? They aren't getting any more information from you then they have currently purchased. I remember when I had a YouTube account, a blogger account and a Google account and I am glad I just use one google account myself.

Because the whole "live" account thing is a total mess on their other properties that support it, and github's login system is great?

Re: Hello, GitHub

#75

So I’m kind of depressed about this. I loved GitHub enough that I paid for a subscription without needing it and have all of my public work on it and my investment in OSS is quite significant. People saying that it is easy to migrate don’t know what they are talking about. GitHub isn’t just Git hosting, but a social network of open source developers and projects. You can’t migrate stars, issues with comments and the…

You make a good point about the just-move-to-Git[whatever] being the entrenched social aspect of many repos! I can't imagine if, say the day comes when developers flee GH en-masse, it will be at all easy to retain the discussion history behind repos.

Re: Hello, GitHub

#76

I'm using another service for my private repos, as github's pricing structure for a single dev is seriously uncompetitive. I wanted to move my public / open source repos for a long time. Now I finally I have the opportunity to do so without getting into discussions at an interview on why am I not using github. For people such as myself, I don't know what Microsoft / Github can do or say to convince otherwise.

> pricing structure for a single dev is seriously uncompetitive

$7/month is a burden? What's it competing with except a fancy coffee or two?

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Honestly, can you think of a smarter move on the part of Microsoft than making Nat Friedman (a veteran of the Open Source community) CEO of Github? I completely trust this guy to do as good a job as can be done of guiding Github forward as a product and a platform, now that the venture capitalists are no longer in the picture.

I just checked. Nat Friedman hasn't made a public commit on Github since August 2015. And if you care to look deeper, since 2010, not much at all.

https://github.com/natfriedman

Re: Hello, GitHub

#78
I recognize this isn't an opinion that will resonate with many, but I find it offensive that Github praises and benefits so much from open source, yet is not open source itself. This has bothered me for many years.

Now this post from Nat, talking about how open source literally changed his life and made all things possible (which I agree with), bothers me even more. How can you say such things when your actions are so completely opposite? The hypocrisy is appalling to me.

Don't misunderstand, I do think Github has done great things for open source. However, it's time for them to either practice what they preach (open the code) or else we need to move to gitlab of gitea or something else.

I'm actually a bit optimistic that MS might open source github in the long run. It's a long shot, but they have really been incredible with how much they have opened up. I'm more optimistic now with MS at the reins.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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> thought of open source as a form of cancer, vocally talked against it Not that I deny it, because can you point me to some examples of this?

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_... Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO said: "Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches" That is a direct attack to open source licensing and open source software. Microsoft had to take that back after they were beaten in the market and lost popularity among developers. Now it's plan B: govern open source pro…

That article is written using very inflammatory language -- I am very wary to take it at face value, because an author using this kind of language is very unlikely to deeply analyze what Ballmer actually said. Furthermore, this was said two decades ago. Take it with a grain of salt.

Re: Hello, GitHub

#80
I feel a bit better knowing Nat Friedman will be CEO. He does have a history with OSS software projects and also running such companies.

I hope that things don't change. I have come to rely on GitHub and I don't want to go investing in another solution.

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