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Re: NSA posters from the 50s and 60s [pdf]

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Post by lainga » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:10 PM UTC

porphyrogene wrote: post #70

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the military doesn't want to accept people who would disobey a direct order over something so petty. If they aren't mature enough to say "so help me God" and move on, they don't want them.

Insisting that the federal government obey by the Constitution is petty? For the government to enforce any religion on any level is strictly forbidden and the interpretation is even broader than that. It's the very first thing in the Bill of Rights.

"I'm not firing until this war has been authorized by Congress, sir!"

Re: NSA posters from the 50s and 60s [pdf]

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Post by user982 » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:13 PM UTC

lainga wrote: post #91

porphyrogene wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insisting that the federal government obey by the Constitution is petty? For the government to enforce any religion on any level is strictly forbidden and the interpretation is even broader than that. It's the very first thing in the Bill of Rights.

"I'm not firing until this war has been authorized by Congress, sir!"

That this is a punchline is the problem.

Re: NSA posters from the 50s and 60s [pdf]

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Post by flyingfences » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:19 PM UTC

philip1209 wrote: post #79

> "Don't TALK yourself to death!" That's macabre - I interpret it as "leak classified information and we will kill you"

I think it's more of a "leak classified information and they'll find out how to kill all of us".

Re: NSA posters from the 50s and 60s [pdf]

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Post by patrickg_zill » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:29 PM UTC

Rebelgecko wrote: post #8

Some trippy posters in there. My favorite was the one where all of the NSA employees had lock mouths. I was surprised how religious some of these were, beyond just "Merry Christmas, don't forget about security" e.g "Christian ideals created freedom"

1. It's a common view that "Christian ideals created freedom" dating back at least, to the time of the Founding Fathers.

2. I would guess that many (but not all) of the people working for secret government agencies in a support role, are more conservative than the general population.

Re: NSA posters from the 50s and 60s [pdf]

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Post by drfuchs » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 4:48 PM UTC

schoen wrote: post #2

And also the 70s, seemingly, even though the request didn't specify that.

Specifically, 6614806 is clearly from 1970. And that's John Travolta from 1977's "Saturday Night Fever" in 6614848.

Also interesting that there are various images of paper and filing cabinets, but no computers or terminals.

Re: NSA posters from the 50s and 60s [pdf]

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Post by rconti » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 5:02 PM UTC

jimmy1 wrote: post #83

Might be tangibly related -- and honestly I have no dog in this fight -- but it seems that a certain sect of our political parties really are trying to eliminate or counter the narrative that America was founded on Judeo-Christian values must have complete blinders on when it comes to history of this country, and just flipping through some posters from the 50's and 60s made it very apparent that it was the prevailing…

I don't see that at all. I think everyone tacitly and explicitly acknowledges that the US was founded, primarily by Christians, on primarily Judeo-Christian values, while enshrining freedom of religion in the Constitution.

It's when you get a large number of people in public office explicitly fighting to bring their religion into the public space, to force prayer on schools, to question and be suspicious of anyone with different religions, that we get a problem.

The pushback you're seeing is the pushback against a majority trying to impose its faith on all Americans.

It's a huge stretch for you to take propaganda posters from the 50s and 60s, during the Red Scare against atheist communists, and project that upon the entire country's 200+ year history, and to assert that the POSITIVE IMPACT of that religion cannot be denied.

Re: NSA posters from the 50s and 60s [pdf]

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Post by nagbava » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 5:27 PM UTC

novium wrote: post #64

nagbava wrote: post #62

Simple question about these (great) posters : whats their legal statuts regarding IP ? Possible use for commercial purpose ? Obligation to mention the source ? I'd love to use them for presentation about security. Any link to information about that would be very welcome too.

This should be applicable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_th...

"The U.S. government asserts that it can still hold the copyright to those works in other countries."

Going a little further I read : "the U.S. Government may obtain protection in other countries depending on the treatment of government works by the national copyright law of the particular country." (from the CENDI FAQ), which is adequate with private international law.

Anyway, thank you !

Re: NSA posters from the 50s and 60s [pdf]

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Post by jimmy1 » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 5:38 PM UTC

st26 wrote: post #86

jimmy1 wrote: post #83

Might be tangibly related -- and honestly I have no dog in this fight -- but it seems that a certain sect of our political parties really are trying to eliminate or counter the narrative that America was founded on Judeo-Christian values must have complete blinders on when it comes to history of this country, and just flipping through some posters from the 50's and 60s made it very apparent that it was the prevailing…

I probably shouldn't bother, but- America was founded by a bunch of Christians, and some of the country's construction surely was influenced by that. However America was NOT founded as a Christian state. Where the left & right butt heads over this is usually when, for example, pro-lifers say "God clearly forbids abortion and America is a Christian state so our laws must follow the Bible" , and pro-choicers say "Uh, n…

And this is NOT what I am saying, I said it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

Re: NSA posters from the 50s and 60s [pdf]

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Post by st26 » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 6:00 PM UTC

jimmy1 wrote: post #98

st26 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I probably shouldn't bother, but- America was founded by a bunch of Christians, and some of the country's construction surely was influenced by that. However America was NOT founded as a Christian state. Where the left & right butt heads over this is usually when, for example, pro-lifers say "God clearly forbids abortion and America is a Christian state so our laws must follow the Bible" , and pro-choicers say "Uh, n…

And this is NOT what I am saying, I said it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

Then, I guess I have to ask you to be more specific about who is trying to erase that from history. I don't think many people dispute the faith of our founders.

Re: NSA posters from the 50s and 60s [pdf]

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Post by wnoise » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 6:07 PM UTC

jimmy1 wrote: post #98

st26 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I probably shouldn't bother, but- America was founded by a bunch of Christians, and some of the country's construction surely was influenced by that. However America was NOT founded as a Christian state. Where the left & right butt heads over this is usually when, for example, pro-lifers say "God clearly forbids abortion and America is a Christian state so our laws must follow the Bible" , and pro-choicers say "Uh, n…

And this is NOT what I am saying, I said it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

It was founded on Enlightenment principles, some of which are deliberately conflated with Judeo-Christian principles, but are actually quite distinct.