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Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

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Re: Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

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I'm surprised that the obvious isn't mentioned even by the "opponents" of the current banking system. What increases the risk is that banks create investments without safety backups and what destroys economic growth is the huge bonuses they take out of these investments. Maybe it's because I played poker in the past that I can intuitively see it? In poker usually players play against each other in a zero sum game. Th…

Bankers do not intend to increase risk without safety backups. In the financial crisis banks were incompetent just as much as unethical -- they had risk models that told them they had a safety net, but their models were wrong

They also generally don't operate like a casino. They have customers, and sell products. The securitized RMBS products at least in theory offered social benefit: decreasing cost of housing without increasing risk. The idea was that by pooling mortgages you could reduce risk through diversification. Risk reduction through diversification is a very well established phenomenon. So buying mortgages, bundling them to reduce risk and selling them in theory (and in practice, til the bust) enabled more people to get mortgages and own homes

The bad stuff happened 1) when realty diverged from their models and 2) the market evolved into a complex beast with a massive snowball of people doing unethical stuff (inside and outside of banks).

So in theory and in reality before the bust, rmbs provided a benefit to investors who got products that provided them a good financial return and lowered the cost of owning a home. Greed played a role in popping the bubble but so did incompetence

Not sure what your investing situation is but your second to last paragraph isn't true. The rise of ETFs has enabled average investors to invest with very low fees and many banks offer commission free trades. If you're the "best investor today" you probably have a lot of money and thus get decent deals from banks. If you are losing money it's bc too much competition from other investors due to easy money rather than banks squeezing you

Re: Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

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Ugh. Yes, we need central banks, if for no other reason than that distributed systems are hard. Central banking helps prevent things like double-spends and creating currency out of thin air. Yes, technically cryptocurrencies "solve" the same problem, but at 1000x the energy expenditure and with no guarantee of avoiding a 51% attack by a coordinated network of rogue actors. It's almost like cryptocurrency zealots don'…

In addition, it's not clear how to keep a currency's value stable without some kind of central authority. It may not even be possible to do in a distributed fashion.

Re: Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

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post #89

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If you consider fractional reserve banking as fraud (banks should only be allowed to lend out funds that you have lent to the bank for a period of time, not funds that you are merely storing in your checking account; a bank run in this context is when account holders want to withdraw their money and it is not there), the system should be fairly stable without a "lender of last resort". I don't really see why fraction…

It is if you want passive interest rates above negative. Storing money without touching it at all costs money. Worst of all to society the value is nill or negative compared to investing it in something and collecting dividends. There was even an ancient parable about that involving a lord giving money to peasants for safekeeping for a few years. He scolded the one who buried it and praised the one who used it for in…

You are right - this will be a strong incentive to keep as little as possible in a checking account, and either lend or invest the rest. There are two main differences from the current system:

1. Depositors will have to explicitly give up/lock their funds for a set period of time if the funds are to be lent out and they are to earn interest. Early withdrawals come with a significant fee. This makes bank runs very unlikely, eliminating the need for a central bank. The longer you want to lend the money for, the higher the interest. But you can also lend money overnight.

2. No money creation, leading to proper alignment of time preferences of investors/consumers and businesses. Interest rates correctly reflect this time preference. If money represents a claim on real resources, then a business can only use as many of these resources for investment as consumers are willing to forego consuming. Interest rates reflect the actual supply and demand of resources/consumption at different time horizons and do not get artificially "set" or otherwise manipulated.

Because of these two properties, the boom-bust leverage cycle is greatly dampened, if not completely eliminated.

Re: Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

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That’s not a fractional reserve since that one needs to be in the same unit of account if you are using two units of account that’s not a fractional reserve that is an exchange rate. If you loan less than your total then again it’s not fractional lending it’s simply lending.

Okay, I'm not sure I should answer because it's starting to seem like you're trolling. Giving you the benefit of the doubt: > if you are using two units of account that’s not a fractional reserve The system I described only has one unit of account, Bitcoin. It doesn't matter whether they're on-chain or "virtual", they're both Bitcoin, and are worth the exact same amount. > If you loan less than your total then again…

>The system I described only has one unit of account, Bitcoin. It doesn't matter whether they're on-chain or "virtual", they're both Bitcoin, and are worth the exact same amount.

Ofc it matters because those bitcoins cannot be used as part of the bitcoin network they aren't bitcoins at point at best they are some weirdly defined bitcoin option. As long as I won't be able to spend those bitcoins as bitcoins and as long as it's not enforced by the network itself this won't really be fractional reserve banking, or at least not what people consider FRB since CAR is an important part of it.

>You have misunderstood fractional reserve banking. Banks are not allowed to give out more money than they have received in deposits. Here's Wikipedia:

I think you misunderstood my point I should've been perhaps more clear about how money generation through fractional reserves works currently and how multipliers on deposits work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_creation I assumed based on the topic we've discussed so far "creating new bitcoins" it was a given state.

Re: Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

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Historically a big purpose of central banks or at least a rich institution was to be a buyer of last resort and prop up the economy in times of panic. Doesn't always have to be a central bank, but needs to be an institution big enough and independent enough to save markets. A decentralized system would almost by definition not have this, and probably result in disaster if there was a panic.

Don't have an exhaustive list of financial panics offhand, but for ex:

Panic of 1837 was thought to be as bad as it was in part bc central banks weren't strong enough to step in

American economy recovered from Great Depression in part due to increased govt spending in ww2

Panic of 1907: Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan acted as financial backstop

2008 financial crisis response led largely by central banks

China's stock market is managed very tightly by central bank

Re: Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

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Okay, but when? I ask because I've seen this claim made about Austrian economics lots and lots, but haven't seen anything telling a consistent story -- just a lot of "it's coming, keep waiting". Seriously interested in seeing these claims either supported by a real world narrative.

Most people that make predictions and call themselves Austrians are IMO in the business of selling something. Mises, who was perhaps the most influential Austrian economist, instead took the tack of demonstrating that if you wanted X that Y either would lead to it or would not lead to it (eg minimum price laws on supply of a good). He was against making value judgments and emphatically argued that they had no place i…

If Austrians cannot give one an idea of, for example, what the outcome of QE would be, then what is the value of this school of thought? Does that not make it merely an interesting abstract theory with no practical real-world applications?

Re: Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

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Governments are never going to adopt a currency controlled by foreign entities.

Really? In many parts of the world (outside of the US, e.g. Georgia), dollar is used/accepted even for taxes.

Yes, but accepting a foreign currency as your defacto currency is IMO insane. US sets monetary policy for the US and the US only. So if US raises interest rates to combat inflation that is occurring in the US. Georgia by default accepts this position regardless of what is actually happening in Georgia. If Georgia has deflation occurring, then this is bad for Georgia.

If you want to be a "Big Boy" country, you have to have your own monetary policy and currency. The problem is, managing your monetary policy and currency is really difficult. Countries that experience hyper-inflation are usually ones where monetary policy isn't done right. The other side of it is, when you do have the right monetary policy and currency controls, it allows to survive and possibly thrive in the financial world.

Re: Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

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post #36

I zoned out at Section II ("The Central Banking Narrative Has Collapsed") because every single paper he cites is written by him (and in fact so are 18 of the 20 publications he cites in the entire article)

I also noticed that, and it raises concerns. However, the intro, the questioning of the fundamentals when faced with evidence that contradicts the assumptions, is long overdue.

When interest rates entered negative territory, something deemed formally impossible a decade earlier, a huge alarm should have sounded in Economics. Instead, we got some after-the-fact explanations that are untestable, and continue applying the same old models.

Science is about constant questioning of assumptions, and I have the feeling Economics fails at this crucial step.

Re: Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

#139

Ugh. Yes, we need central banks, if for no other reason than that distributed systems are hard. Central banking helps prevent things like double-spends and creating currency out of thin air. Yes, technically cryptocurrencies "solve" the same problem, but at 1000x the energy expenditure and with no guarantee of avoiding a 51% attack by a coordinated network of rogue actors. It's almost like cryptocurrency zealots don'…

> creating currency out of thin air

But this is one of the main things central banks do. They have a monopoly to counterfeit money. And in conjunction with their affiliated government people are forced to use it to pay taxes.

Re: Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

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post #64

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I think the question of what is the optimum human population of a country, continent, planet that maximizes prosperity and welfare is an interesting one. Yet, apart from the problem of humans still having to be in actual close physical proximity to each other for economic activity, which results in housing problems in major cities, I do not see the signs of overpopulation or too much economic activity in Western coun…

In what way is ecology getting better, rather than rapidly worse?

Car emissions are getting cleaner, leading to cleaner air. That would be one example.

Deindustrialization of the West led to improvements in ecology as well, I imagine.

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