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Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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GitHub clearly needs change of management. I havent seen much inmovation from them compared to GitLab. Microsoft is very strong on innovation since change of management.

GitHub is easy to use, and I’ve found the important features work really well. I’m all for improvements, but I’m not even sure what I would want. At this point, I’m more worried any attempt at innovation would break the things I like about GitHub now, than I am excited for something new. I use gitlab for all my private projects and don’t find it to be remarkably better in any way, and the UI always confuses me.

Any way we can improve the UI? We'd love to make it more enjoyable.

You can also open an issue directly in https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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post #439

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GitHub clearly needs change of management. I havent seen much inmovation from them compared to GitLab. Microsoft is very strong on innovation since change of management.

I'm not super familiar with GitLab besides self hosted instances. Even then I prefer the simplicity of gogs. So what do you feel are still be innovations GitLab has but GitHub lacks?

We have a comparison page for GitLab Premium and GHE - https://about.gitlab.com/comparison/gitlab-eep-vs-github-ent...

Most features have a link to their respective documentation for more information.

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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I lived through the 90s too. It's been 20+ years since the peak of the Microsoft that gave them the reputation you're reflecting. If "I lived through the 90s" was how I measured technology and companies, I'd sure as hell not be using Apple products - their technology was pretty terrible then, and the company was incoherent. Would any rational person say that the terrible tech and incoherence then translates to how on…

First off were the 90s macs really terrible in comparison to the present state of the art at the time? Second its easier for people to grow to be better at their job than to grow into being better people.

Re: macs. Yes. MacOS releases up to 1999 lacked features common in other systems, like full preemptive multitasking and memory protection. Windows NT had that in the mid 90s, and various Unix flavors had it for decades. I liked the UI on the macs vs windows95/98/NT or Linux/Solaris, but the stability of macs was a joke. Everyone was pretty happy when they cleaned up NeXTSTEP and turned it into the basis for OSX - that was a very smart move.

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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GitHub is easy to use, and I’ve found the important features work really well. I’m all for improvements, but I’m not even sure what I would want. At this point, I’m more worried any attempt at innovation would break the things I like about GitHub now, than I am excited for something new. I use gitlab for all my private projects and don’t find it to be remarkably better in any way, and the UI always confuses me.

Any way we can improve the UI? We'd love to make it more enjoyable. You can also open an issue directly in https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues

Well, my only request would be that it be more like GitHub.

The only reason for this is familiarity. GitHub is the market leader now and I use it every day at work. It's a lot easier to get used to a new UI if it is similar to the one you are used to. I'm sure if everyone used GitLab at work everyday, it would be fine. The UI doesn't strike me as bad, just very different.

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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That would be kind of awesome, but I don't know how the github culture would meld with a big corporation. It would be an interesting case study for other similar start ups.

Didn't github already deliberately kill their own culture a few years back with policy changes and a layer of middle management? edit: This isn't snark. Didn't they legit cut a bunch of perks, refocus everyone's priorities, and hire some people to start cracking whips? Or was I reading the public accounts of that situation wrong? Got bad scuttlebutt?

I hadn't heard that. That stands to reason. Business people actually detest that "flat organization" model. They really get off on hierarchy and power.

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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Microsoft has embraced Github with it's recent .Net core development, they are one of the largest contributors with some incredible cross platform dev tooling. C# is a pleasure and visual studio code is an excellent, extensible coding tool. Go forth Microsoft, the standard bashing in these communities is unjust.

I lived through the 90s, so I disagree. Anyone who feels perfectly comfortable with Microsoft's embracing of things they like is ignoring history. Maybe it's different this time, maybe it isn't.

I lived through the 90s, and Ace of Base was the best band ever.

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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How is Microsoft different exactly? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Do they not spy on users of Windows 10? > like most (all?) other big tech companies "The other children are doing it" and then you're mother would say "that doesn't make it right". It's a child's defense no doubt. But anyway, it's also factually not true.

I'd say that Microsoft is worse than most other companies because it caters to governments, not consumers. Skype and MSN mysteriously worked in China at a time when no other service did. What's their incentive to push back against LE backdoors when they're not an edgy consumer brand anyway?

"caters to governments"

Corporations only exist as legal constructs. I'm not trying to be pedantic. I'm just saying that it is always going to be the case that a business, any business, will work within the law and with lawful government because they ultimately depend on contract and property law.

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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With current trends in Microsoft's Developer Division, it's possible that GitHub could end up way more open if Microsoft acquired them. GitHub's core business is GitHub and they need that to stay closed to stay competitive. GitHub under Microsoft could have less financial pressure to keep closed. Is it likely? I don't know. It is an interesting possibility though, that would certainly change the game.

There is precedent. Prior to Microsoft acquiring them, Xamarin was closed-source and licensing was $1000 per platform per year. At the Build conference in March 2016 Microsoft announced (1) that they were acquiring Xamarin, (2) that pricing would be dropping to zero, and (3) the Xamarin platform code would be open sourced as soon as possible after the acquisition.

That precedent is even more useful as a measuring stick with Nat Friedman (formerly CEO of Xamarin) announced to takeover the CEO role at GitHub.

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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Give it time. MS does what it has always done to competitors (even to MS internal products) that it acquires. Takes awhile sometimes and you younger kid will get to live through what others already have.

I'm probably older than you, but thanks for the condescension.

It's history, not condescension. Weird to take it so personally. If you are older than me, you already know the pattern, meaning you're being disingenuous (or deliberately ignorant) to dismiss it.
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