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Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

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It's interesting to think about how the role of central banks might change in the age of crypto currencies. Governments can print Euros and Dollars. But not Bitcoin and Ethereum. Popular theory is that governments have a good grip on currency usage because they can decide which currencies they accept for tax payments. And because they can force merchants to accept certain currencies. It will be interesting to see if…

Since there is no fractional reserve and the blockchain ensures that you have the equivalent of fully correspondent banking with each node in the network there is no need for a central bank on the other hand the blockchain itself can be viewed as is the central bank with the large mining pools acting as its board of directors. That said since no blockchain currently offers a credit system it’s not really possible to…

We have been dealing with exactly these issues at the Intercoin project (https://intercoin.org)

Credit is a voluntary thing. Both sides can agree to create credit lines (trustlines) out of thin air without any third party ledger or permission. (Well maybe except Usury laws.)

Now the problem with credit is that you don’t know how solvent the debtor is and many debts they have. Credit agencies have sprung up to try to address this somewhat.

But the whole POINT of value based money is to introduce a third party representation of real assets, and that real world scarcity requires solving the double spend problem.

So the whole thing with every technology is remembering that A paid B, and not forgetting it (eg make collusion really infeasible).

Many blockchains are just append only databases stored on every node. They elect a leader based on PoW or PoS and it’s horribly inefficient. There are far better ways.

But anyway back to credit. Money is a social phenomenon that benefits from a network effect. A casino’s chips are worthless as a medium of exhange outside the context of the casino and the same goes for JPY, EUR etc.

Inside a community currency where everyone began to accept it, you can have the ability to print more money same as a Harvard Facebook has the ability to add features you don’t like but you keep using it. The only difference is that these decisions can be done democratically. So like living in a city whose policies you don’t all agree with.

They can use this money for Basic Income and other things like public infrastructure.

They can peg to an outside currency AND print/dilute it gradually to redistribute wealth in a voluntary way that even anarchco capitalists will accept.

That’s one of the features of Intercoin.

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It has been only 200 years since the industrial revolution and we have managed to completely waste the planet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocene_extinction We are running out of topsoil, fresh water, fish, pollinators, oil... the oceans are becoming an acid mess full of plastic, species are going extinct, forests and the ecosystems they contain are disappearing. And all of this has been done in the name of a…

I think the question of what is the optimum human population of a country, continent, planet that maximizes prosperity and welfare is an interesting one. Yet, apart from the problem of humans still having to be in actual close physical proximity to each other for economic activity, which results in housing problems in major cities, I do not see the signs of overpopulation or too much economic activity in Western coun…

In what way is ecology getting better, rather than rapidly worse?

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It's a long article and I admit to not heaving read it in its entirety, but... > There are overcapacities in the banking sector of some countries” in the Eurozone. Which country could he have been talking about? Germany boasts by far the largest number of banks – about ten times as many as the global centre of international finance, the UK. Same here in Austria. Per capita, the people employed in the banking sector i…

On the other hand, as soon as banks become really big, they loose interest in ordinary customers. In Switzerland the services of big banks like Credit Suisse or UBS are getting worse while getting more expensive at the same time. This causes people to switch to smaller local banks because they can better tend to their needs and are more willed to grant them loans.

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>It's not like Chase Bank (or whatever non-central bank) can just print more dollars. Yes, it can, that's what fractional reserve means. Banks create (most of) the money they lend. This is regulated by the central banks but carried out via ordinary retail banking. When you swipe your credit card, buy a car, etc. money is being created out of thin air. The universe remains balanced because it corresponds to your oblig…

I don't think you understand what I was trying to say. I'm well aware that they create money, but they're literally not printing dollars. They do not cause M0 to increase. Nobody but the Treasury can cause physical dollars to be created, but that doesn't prevent fractional reserve from occurring. So, anybody who claims Bitcoin doesn't support fraction reserve based solely on the fact that banks can't create new Bitco…

Okay.

I'm Chase Bank.

How do I issue 600 BTC given I have 20 BTC in my account.

There is zero allowance in the protocol for this to happen.

Re: Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

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Ugh. Yes, we need central banks, if for no other reason than that distributed systems are hard. Central banking helps prevent things like double-spends and creating currency out of thin air. Yes, technically cryptocurrencies "solve" the same problem, but at 1000x the energy expenditure and with no guarantee of avoiding a 51% attack by a coordinated network of rogue actors. It's almost like cryptocurrency zealots don'…

Most "cryptocurrency zealots" don't know shit about crypto or currencies.

Re: Do We Need Central Banks? (2017)

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Ugh. Yes, we need central banks, if for no other reason than that distributed systems are hard. Central banking helps prevent things like double-spends and creating currency out of thin air. Yes, technically cryptocurrencies "solve" the same problem, but at 1000x the energy expenditure and with no guarantee of avoiding a 51% attack by a coordinated network of rogue actors. It's almost like cryptocurrency zealots don'…

+1 on those thoughts. I'd add that there are a lot of other things that central banks do that keep the banking system(s) in check and closer to honest. Setting interest rates for example.

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Since there is no fractional reserve and the blockchain ensures that you have the equivalent of fully correspondent banking with each node in the network there is no need for a central bank on the other hand the blockchain itself can be viewed as is the central bank with the large mining pools acting as its board of directors. That said since no blockchain currently offers a credit system it’s not really possible to…

We have been dealing with exactly these issues at the Intercoin project ( https://intercoin.org ) Credit is a voluntary thing. Both sides can agree to create credit lines (trustlines) out of thin air without any third party ledger or permission. (Well maybe except Usury laws.) Now the problem with credit is that you don’t know how solvent the debtor is and many debts they have. Credit agencies have sprung up to try t…

> There are far better ways.

Citation needed since PoS / PoW is the way Bitcoin uses to solve the many generals problem.

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Yes, the last paragraph is pretty much the system every country uses. Look at the UK, for example, where the national debt continues to rise - there is no real plan to pay it off - the system is designed in such a way that overall debt issuance must rise in order to service older debt. It's a horribly unstable system, but unfortunately we seem to have embraced it across the world.

Suppose all the sovereign debt defaults and is restructured to be 5% of the original. Who loses? Mostly the holders of treasuries. Holders of other assets would seem to be fine! So it seems to me to be like any other default, except on a larger scale. Price the sovereign debt risk into the calculation and diversify into real assets.

> Who loses? Mostly the holders of treasuries.

In the United States, defaulting on Sovereign Debt would basically guarantee the death of social security. If you're in the USA, by far the best way you can insulate yourself against sovereign debt is by:

1) organizing your life's expenses so that you can retire (or at least continue to live) with $0.00 from social security.

2) Ensuring that you don't rely on any federal pension (including military retirement).

Of course, that isn't possible for most people. So in the USA, the answer to "who loses?" is "old people".

3) Ensuring you will have be able to afford healthcare in old age without medicare.

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What free banking actually looked like: https://www.frbatlanta.org/-/media/documents/filelegacydocs/... TLDR: Banks regularly collapsed and not just because of fraud, but started to collapse less as they got regulated more. The system functioned (for certain values of "functioned"), but shockingly enough the man on the street did not turn out to be better at evaluating a bank's solvency than central banks. They were…

If you consider fractional reserve banking as fraud (banks should only be allowed to lend out funds that you have lent to the bank for a period of time, not funds that you are merely storing in your checking account; a bank run in this context is when account holders want to withdraw their money and it is not there), the system should be fairly stable without a "lender of last resort". I don't really see why fraction…

People want control over assets they don't have enough for yet, in order to improve their wealth generating function.
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