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Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by boffinism »

drewmate wrote: post #314
lordfoom wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why not let things play out a little before predicting chaos? History.

GP gave you a very good reason why this is different than historical Microsoft EEE[0]: > Github doesn't have the vendor lock-in that other companies have There's not much about Github that can't be easily replaced; it uses git at its core. Comments, issues, and wikis are convenient, but relatively simple to implement. The main value in Github is the de facto community status it has, which it earned by being an open c…

> There's not much about Github that can't be easily replaced.

Integration and workflow. Thanks to the various gubbins available in the marketplace[0], CI/CD goodies, hooks into communication and project management tools and so on, for a lot of people migrating away from Github would mean losing access to enough little convenience things that actually it's not feasible for a large organisation with not great process change management techniques.

https://github.com/marketplace

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by coldacid »

neves wrote: post #214
pjmlp wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nokia is pretty much alive. As for what Elop did, in case you missed the news, he only did what the Nokia board themselves asked him to do, and even gave him a bonus for achieving it.

What's is Nokia up to? I'd love to know they are doing interesting things.

Networking hardware, mostly, especially cellular and POTS switching stuff.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by Nullabillity »

Totoradio wrote: post #23
codetrotter wrote: post #15

> And Microsoft is all-in on open source. We have been on a journey with open source, and today we are active in the open source ecosystem, we contribute to open source projects, and some of our most vibrant developer tools and frameworks are open source. When it comes to our commitment to open source, judge us by the actions we have taken in the recent past, our actions today, and in the future. It’s a fair point bu…

I can understand those concerns, but what can they do to convince you they have changed?

* Drop Windows and contribute to WINE

* Drop OOXML and make ODF the default format

* Drop the patents

* Drop the telemetry

* Drop Xbox

* Drop DirectX

* Drop the cloud garbage

* Drop or open MSVC

* Drop or open Edge

* Actually open .NET

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by tjoff »

nimbius wrote: post #117

Friendly reminder: this is the same Microsoft that "empowered" skype and once called open source a cancer. Its the same Microsoft that ruined open document standards and started the browser wars. I wouldnt be surprised to see next years release of "Github Pro Platinum with Minecraft 3D and Windows Store integration" For those looking to move, https://gitlab.com is an excellent open source alternative that can easily…

Friendly reminder: Skype was pure garbage before MS acquired it. I have no idea from where people got the idea that MS ruined Skype.

Started the browser wars? Too bad the browser wars have been too small, because we obviously haven't learned anything from them.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

strogonoff wrote: post #305

Seeing GitHub acquired, I can’t help but imagine that Gitlab would go that route sooner or later. Their free offering is even more extensive than GitHub’s, and I don’t think there’s visibility into whether their revenue from paid plans is enough to offset that. Since becoming backed by a major player is both a blessing (cash reserves to fuel the free offering!) and a curse (drive to increase shareholder value could g…

> Seeing GitHub acquired, I’d speculate that Gitlab will go that route sooner or later.

Bingo. It's bizarre to hear people stampeding to GitLab when they're subject to the same financial and revenue pressures as GitHub or any other business. Somebody's paying for those servers and bandwidth and that somebody is expecting a return on their investment.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by sixothree »

marricks wrote: post #335

I think what I said yesterday stil has relevance: —- Can anything exist anymore without A) Getting acquired by a multinational B) Becoming one Sure, MS visual code is open but as a few players get more and more power we all become subject to their whims and not them to ours. MS is pushing their ads within their own OS more and more, will GitHub get the same treatment, or will it’s data be useful to MS for those ads?…

MS has far many more project opened source than just VSCode. Maybe they will do the same for github, which ahem.... is not.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by zouhair »

shubhamjain wrote: post #227
bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

Why not let things play out a little before predicting chaos? Github doesn't have the vendor lock-in that other companies have. It starts to go downhill? Just push your repo to another Git host. Yes, you'll need to figure out how to port some of your workflows, but it won't be an insurmountable pain.

When you see a fox entering a chicken coop would you also say the same? Microsoft will most likely gut GitHub, not as badly as Oracle would have done it but they will.

This said, Free Software Devs should never have trusted GitHub in the first place.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by hannasanarion »

mkirklions wrote: post #139

Yes, I think people should expect to move. Microsoft cannot be trusted. They make fine products, but they are definitely looking to make money from this acquisition. EDIT: This is to say that Github was not looking to squeeze their users. I have been squeezed by microsoft.

Economics is not a zero-sum game. Just because the company is making money doesn't mean that you are losing something.

Github has been underwater for years, would you rather it be propped up by a big corporate sponsor that can subsidize its losses, or run out of money and die?

I expect to move, because I also do not trust microsoft, but I am not moving yet until I see what they do with it.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by pritambaral »

airstrike wrote: post #130
Iv wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The phrase "Embrace, extend, extinguish" comes from Microsoft. [1] There is one actor I don't trust with that, it is them. I'll move my repos next weekend. Maybe that's the call I needed to self host... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

That phrase is from over 20 years ago...

Phrases don't lose their relevance due to age. If they do, they do it because the situation has changed, and similar situations haven't come up.

For example, the phrase "doublespeak" is much older and also especially relevant today.

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Post by madeofpalk »

mkirklions wrote: post #124
bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

Yep, I really dont understand why there are Microsoft fans. Like I understand if you bought an Xbox, but I dont understand if you are a programmer. Microsoft has always been a headache. Recently its been a tiny bit better, but they still are a for-profit company that needs to continue to make a profit. This was to make Microsoft money, nothing to 'help programmers'.

> but they still are a for-profit company that needs to continue to make a profit. This was to make Microsoft money, nothing to 'help programmers'.

What a strange criticism. Of course Microsoft is a for-profit company and they're doing this to make more profit - no one is of the delusion of otherwise. They didn't spend $8b out of the goodness of their heart.

However, one way you make money is to do and make things people like. Here's hoping Microsoft will recognise the value Github can provide and they do right by it. I'm cautiously optimistic.

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