Microsoft acquires Github • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by mudetroit » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 1:58 PM UTC

mkirklions wrote: post #124

bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

Yep, I really dont understand why there are Microsoft fans. Like I understand if you bought an Xbox, but I dont understand if you are a programmer. Microsoft has always been a headache. Recently its been a tiny bit better, but they still are a for-profit company that needs to continue to make a profit. This was to make Microsoft money, nothing to 'help programmers'.

> Microsoft has always been a headache. Recently its been a tiny bit better, but they still are a for-profit company that needs to continue to make a profit.

Just want to point out that Github was also a "for-profit" company.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by swebs » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 1:58 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

And they're still pulling the same old tricks of vendor lock-in with DirectX. Microsoft's PR team likes to pretend they've changed since they gave a few concessions, but the reality is that they made those decisions solely because they were losing competitiveness. .Net core was because everybody was jumping ship to Linux due to the Kubernetes bandwagon. VS code was because the "Electron text editor" market was already filled with cross platform competitors.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by mandeepj » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 1:59 PM UTC

mkirklions wrote: post #124

bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

Yep, I really dont understand why there are Microsoft fans. Like I understand if you bought an Xbox, but I dont understand if you are a programmer. Microsoft has always been a headache. Recently its been a tiny bit better, but they still are a for-profit company that needs to continue to make a profit. This was to make Microsoft money, nothing to 'help programmers'.

> This was to make Microsoft money, nothing to 'help programmers'.

This is not mutually exclusive. You need money to keep lights and servers ON

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by solatic » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:01 PM UTC

TL-DR: Push GutHub Enterprise sales through existing Microsoft sales channels, and push Azure and related products to GitHub users.

The first doesn't matter to me. The second makes me think everything from "Add a .azure.ci.cfg file to your GitHub project to trigger builds, only $X/metric!" (not so bad) to "Advanced issue management available through MS Project 365 integration, please ask your project admin to subscribe to Office 365 to unlock!" (please, no...)

A large part of GitHub's appeal to the open source community was that all features were available for free to open source projects. If Microsoft wanted to make more features available for free to open-source projects, then Visual Studio Team Services would be a much, much different product, and Microsoft wouldn't need to acquire a platform that directly competes with their current product line.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by srean » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:01 PM UTC

guylepage3 wrote: post #157

Ugh.. I feel like I've been punched in the gut.. First Sunrise. Now GitHub. I give MS 6 months to mess GitHub up or discontinue service. Time to really look into GitLab.

Bitbucket is fine too.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by deadcast » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:03 PM UTC

nimbius wrote: post #117

Friendly reminder: this is the same Microsoft that "empowered" skype and once called open source a cancer. Its the same Microsoft that ruined open document standards and started the browser wars. I wouldnt be surprised to see next years release of "Github Pro Platinum with Minecraft 3D and Windows Store integration" For those looking to move, https://gitlab.com is an excellent open source alternative that can easily…

I just finished moving all my 20+ repos over from github and deleted all of my github accounts. Feels good actually. I'm glad to see gitlab getting good attention. I bet all of the people behind gitlab are feeling pumped/anxious/excited right now! ^_^

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by jacquesm » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:04 PM UTC

AsyncAwait wrote: post #137

netsec_burn wrote: post #111

I still see Microsoft's predictable behavior in 2018. I have a friend who owns a Surface, and I was thinking it would be useful to put Linux on it (it was older ARM hardware). Well you can't, it's a Surface RT and Microsoft not only locks the bootloader but it also only runs Microsoft approved apps. That's their endgame whenever possible. Apparently people didn't like having fully locked down computers and they disco…

> Apparently people didn't like having fully locked down computers and they discontinued the product, shocker. They do, it just can't pretend to be a full on computer, see the iPad.

It doesn't have to pretend, it is a full computer that is intentionally crippled by the vendor. Apple doing it to doesn't make it any less despicable. These stupid strategies turn perfectly good computers into landfill.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by seba_dos1 » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:04 PM UTC

distances wrote: post #109

bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

> Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Have they not killed Nokia or ruined Skype? I don't think one can say they killed Nokia. Nokia's phone business was basically doomed after Android gained traction, and Microsoft just helped the company to pivot by overpaying for that part of the business, while leaving Nokia with everything that actually was making money.

Nokia basically held onto Symbian for a bit too long. They had a massive chance with Meego; they weakened it slightly pre-Microsoft due to mismanagement, but killing it in favour of Windows Phone was the actual Nokia's death sentence.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by jakelazaroff » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:04 PM UTC

mkirklions wrote: post #139

Yes, I think people should expect to move. Microsoft cannot be trusted. They make fine products, but they are definitely looking to make money from this acquisition. EDIT: This is to say that Github was not looking to squeeze their users. I have been squeezed by microsoft.

Why shouldn't they? It's not like GitHub wasn't trying to make money before.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by Rapzid » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:06 PM UTC

madebysquares wrote: post #122

Curious why they are changing CEOs if they want to continue the culture and community.

I'm guess it's the external community culture they want to keep. GitHub has been looking for a new CEO since last August, and one of their other guys had actually taken over many of the duties in the interim.. They have had some high profile scandal/dramas(with one coinciding fairly closely with last August CEO search...). I'm guessing any internal culture related to that stuff as well as not making money is probably on the block.