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Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by oatmale »

mkirklions wrote: post #128
distances wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Have they not killed Nokia or ruined Skype? I don't think one can say they killed Nokia. Nokia's phone business was basically doomed after Android gained traction, and Microsoft just helped the company to pivot by overpaying for that part of the business, while leaving Nokia with everything that actually was making money.

I dont like Microsoft, but I'm not sure how they killed skype. Yes there were a few dark years, but I think most IM was struggling years ago. Now skype is pretty good.

Skype is pretty awful for calling phones. The user interface has become a mess and is difficult to use. They are constantly making it more difficult to call phone.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by hobofan »

nimbius wrote: post #117

Friendly reminder: this is the same Microsoft that "empowered" skype and once called open source a cancer. Its the same Microsoft that ruined open document standards and started the browser wars. I wouldnt be surprised to see next years release of "Github Pro Platinum with Minecraft 3D and Windows Store integration" For those looking to move, https://gitlab.com is an excellent open source alternative that can easily…

Also the company that was responsible for killing the Limux project[0].

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by AsyncAwait »

bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

Their license for the .NET Core debugger makes it so that only they can use it, JetBrains and others cannot, see [1], they haven't changed at all.

1 - https://blog.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2017/02/15/rider-eap-17-nu...

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by ulkesh »

pavlov wrote: post #50
ulkesh wrote: post #20

The real question everyone should be asking is whether Microsoft is trustworthy, cognizant, and honorable enough to be the steward of such a major player that facilitates a large portion of open source software. This has me very concerned for the open source community.

Why were you not concerned previously about an unprofitable SV startup holding that central position? GitHub wasn’t a non-profit. This was always the endgame for them. They were losing money to acquire a userbase that would be sold when the time is right — just like WhatsApp and numerous other big social SV plays.

Who says I wasn't? And I know Github wasn't a non-profit. You make quite a number of assumptions with your statement.

The difference for me is that I was supporting Github (by paying) to be an independent company, warts and all. If their goal was to always sell specifically to Microsoft, I would have voiced many concerns very early on. I would much rather they had sold to Mozilla or another in the open source community.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by nicwolff »

naiyt wrote: post #102
titanix2 wrote: post #43

"Cloud blablabla committed blablabla responsability blablabla developers blablabla empower blablabla open-source" Clearly written by HMM: Human Markov Model.

> The era of the intelligent cloud and intelligent edge is upon us. I still have no idea what "intelligent edge" is supposed to mean.

CDNs that execute cached code modules, e.g. Cloudflare Workers https://www.cloudflare.com/products/cloudflare-workers/

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Post by matwood »

mkirklions wrote: post #124
bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

Yep, I really dont understand why there are Microsoft fans. Like I understand if you bought an Xbox, but I dont understand if you are a programmer. Microsoft has always been a headache. Recently its been a tiny bit better, but they still are a for-profit company that needs to continue to make a profit. This was to make Microsoft money, nothing to 'help programmers'.

> Yep, I really dont understand why there are Microsoft fans.

I wouldn't consider myself a fan, but their developer tools were (are?) some of the best out there.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by jacquesm »

evfanknitram wrote: post #143
mkirklions wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, I really dont understand why there are Microsoft fans. Like I understand if you bought an Xbox, but I dont understand if you are a programmer. Microsoft has always been a headache. Recently its been a tiny bit better, but they still are a for-profit company that needs to continue to make a profit. This was to make Microsoft money, nothing to 'help programmers'.

Because their developer tools are pretty good and finding jobs as a .NET developer is pretty easy?

That doesn't make them an ethical company. Oracle makes a pretty good database. Google makes a good search engine. All of those companies have serious ethical issues and I would not want any of them as the steward of the largest body of open source code on the planet.

A federated or independent solution is the only way to go for infrastructure like this.

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Post by joelcornett »

sametmax wrote: post #86
bovermyer wrote: post #38

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Keeping in mind, of course, that Ballmer's Microsoft is very, very different from Nadella's Microsoft...

Keeping in mind, of course, that it's an opinion, and not a fact. I happen to have the opposite opinion, although I documented it a lot more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17225290 History does not help with trusting them. So let's wait and see. But I talked about MS PR team before, and I can already see it at work everywhere. Here, the first HN links were not warmly welcomed, so we had another one published,…

> The good thing is that it means now they care a lot about what we think of them. They didn't before. So at least, if they haven't changed, they are forced to act like they have.

What’s the difference, really?

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by nileshtrivedi »

koyote wrote: post #165
nileshtrivedi wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(1) Make it easy for alternative OS to run on Surface/Windows-certified devices: Both x86 and ARM. (2) Support OpenDocumentFormat in their office apps. Still remember how they corrupted the ISO certification process by creating OOXML (which is just a wrapper over binary blobs produced by MS-Office) (3) Stop suing Android OEM's for patent licenses

What do you mean by 'wrapper over binary blobs'? I know the old .doc format was basically a memory dump of the document; but how does OXML relate to that?

> OpenXML on the other hand, is a high-level specification which describes the high level envelopes used to embed binary objects which are included in the content. The content itself contains the binary code which can call any function in any Microsoft library and has all permissions of the person opening the document.

http://slated.org/ooxml_dissecting_the_binary_blob_problem http://ooxmlisdefectivebydesign.blogspot.com/2007/08/microso...

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